Offense v. Defense using comparable stats

[petegz28]

We keep hearing from some on here how the Chiefs are the 28th ranked offense. In the same breath the people defend the defense by saying "they only gave up X points".

Okay so fair enough, but not really. Let's look at like for like.

Scoring offense (because points are what matters)
Chiefs are 19th. Not 28th

Scoring defense (because points are what matters)
Chiefs are 5th - very good

now compare the same stat that people like to tout as 28th ranked offense..yards per game

Yards Per Game Offense:
Chiefs are 24th

Yards Per Game Defense:
Chiefs are 25th

So pick your poison but keep it consistent on both sides of the ball

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

The defense was bad but the offense was worse.

A lot of people are complaining about the jet sweep to Kelce but the Lions scored on the same play from virtually the same down and distance in their game yesterday.

How was the offense worse?

Our immediate reaction this season (with good cause) is to blame the offense when things go poorly.

But the offense had the ball SEVEN TIMES. That's it - seven times. I'm honestly not sure I've ever seen a game where a team only had seven drives. They scored 2 TDs and a fieldgoal in those 7 possession. That's not good, but it's not bad either.

You know what's bad? Letting the opponent into your territory every time he touches the ball. Letting your opponent average 10 plays per drive (made even better by the fact that they had another down to play with in the first half and weren't trying to score on their final drive of the 2nd half).

The offense did its job at a couple of key points in the ballgame and each time the defense again failed to get TB off the field. Because they couldn't get the TB offense off the field at any point in that ballgame. The defense was trash. Blame injuries if you want, but the defense was trash.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

How was the offense worse?

Our immediate reaction this season (with good cause) is to blame the offense when things go poorly.

But the offense had the ball SEVEN TIMES. That's it - seven times. I'm honestly not sure I've ever seen a game where a team only had seven drives. They scored 2 TDs and a fieldgoal in those 7 possession. That's not good, but it's not bad either.

You know what's bad? Letting the opponent into your territory every time he touches the ball. Letting your opponent average 10 plays per drive (made even better by the fact that they had another down to play with in the first half and weren't trying to score on their final drive of the 2nd half).

The offense did its job at a couple of key points in the ballgame and each time the defense again failed to get TB off the field. Because they couldn't get the TB offense off the field at any point in that ballgame. The defense was trash. Blame injuries if you want, but the defense was trash.

Facing another bottom-of-the-barrel defense and failing to get their shit in gear.

The Bucs have given up more than 26 PPG this season on average. On a perfect weather day at home we managed 17.

Two trips to the 5 yard line and we come away with 3 points and a red zone INT. That turnover was the worst play of the day for either side of the ball.

[CupidStunt]

The absolute funniest thing on this site is the logic of better than bad being good.

Our starting QB is gutter trash but he's better than Nick Foles so there!

Our defense is also dogshit, so our beyond-pathetic offense deserves a break!

[Dartgod]

The offense actually played well enough to win...until Alex threw that awful ****ing interception.

The Good

• Alex averaged more yards per attempt than Winston (8.4 to 8.2)
• The entire offense averaged more yards per play than TB (6.6 to 6.0)
• The defense held TB to 1/5 TDs in the Red Zone

The Bad

• We were 4/8 on 3rd down conversions
• We lost TOP ~35 to ~25
• The defense gave up 442 total yards
• Not forcing a punt until early in the 4th quarter

The Ugly

• TB ran 74 offensive plays to our 52
• TB converted 11/16 3rd downs
• That dumb as shit sweep with Kelce from the TB 4
• Alex's drive killing interception

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

We keep hearing from some on here how the Chiefs are the 28th ranked offense. In the same breath the people defend the defense by saying "they only gave up X points".

Okay so fair enough, but not really. Let's look at like for like.

Scoring offense (because points are what matters)
Chiefs are 19th. Not 28th

Scoring defense (because points are what matters)
Chiefs are 5th - very good

now compare the same stat that people like to tout as 28th ranked offense..yards per game

Yards Per Game Offense:
Chiefs are 24th

Yards Per Game Defense:
Chiefs are 25th

So pick your poison but keep it consistent on both sides of the ball

I said they were ranked 28 in 3rd down conversions.

I'm not shocked you didn't understand.

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by dls6501

No one is claiming the defense had a "stellar" performance yesterday. But the fact of the matter is, 19 points is 19 points. People, specifically the Alex apologists, are making it seem as if the defense gave up 40 points and they made it impossible for our offense to do anything.

They couldn't stop the Bucs on 3rd down. They were 11/16 and for some reason I thought it would be worse than that. They just chewed up a lot of clock at times and it seemed like we were powerless to stop them. Marcus Peters really is our MVP because without him we are just sunk.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

I said they were ranked 28 in 3rd down conversions.

I'm not shocked you didn't understand.

You are not who I was referring too, Mr. Guilty Conscience

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

You are not who I was referring too, Mr. Guilty Conscience

There no guilty conscience here dip shit. That's when you actually did what someone is saying.

You're the idiot who refused to understand plain English yesterday. I thought you were still playing dumb.

[dls6501]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Especially when you consider we run the ball a lot which drains the clock leading to less possessions in a game for both teams.

We run the ball more than only 8 teams in the whole league.

Do you have your next excuse ready?

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by dls6501

We run the ball more than only 8 teams in the whole league.



Do you have your next excuse ready?

Also of note: we have a winning record.

We really don't run the ball much at all.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

7-3 with key injuries. I'll take it.

[Iconic]

Yes the defense was bad yesterday no ones denying that. But the offense has BEEN bad for a really really long time. You can't expect your defense to play like the 85 Bears week in and week out. It's not manageable. They will suck sometimes. And when that happens, the offense needs to pick up the slack like the Defense did in the Carolina game.

Much of everyone's resentment right now stems from watching the offense consistently under preform.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by Iconic

Yes the defense was bad yesterday no ones denying that. But the offense has BEEN bad for a really really long time. You can't expect your defense to play like the 85 Bears week in and week out. It's not manageable. They will suck sometimes. And when that happens, the offense needs to pick up the slack like the Defense did in the Carolina game.

Much of everyone's resentment right now stems from watching the offense consistently under preform.

Please show me where this team resembles the 85 bears? We are ranked in the bottom five in rushing yards allowed per carry this season

Defense only needed one stop in the final ten minutes, they couldn't do it. Gave up fifty yards, four minutes of clock and a TD.

[Dayze]

they're not playing like the 85 Bears. But considering how few points the offense generates each game, the defense has to basically play like an elite defense to have a shot week in and week out. Particularly against good teams. That's how I interpreted it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Facing another bottom-of-the-barrel defense and failing to get their shit in gear.

The Bucs have given up more than 26 PPG this season on average. On a perfect weather day at home we managed 17.

Two trips to the 5 yard line and we come away with 3 points and a red zone INT. That turnover was the worst play of the day for either side of the ball.

They averaged 2.4 points per drive. Give them the NFL average of 11 drives in a game and they end up right at 27 points; pretty much balls on with what the Bucs have given up this season.

The offense didn't play poorly, it just never got a chance to play because the defense shit the bed. Their offense was almost exactly as successful as the average offense to face the Bucs this year on a per drive, per play basis. The problem is that our D couldn't get off the field and give the offense the drives it needed to operate.