Offense v. Defense using comparable stats

[petegz28]

We keep hearing from some on here how the Chiefs are the 28th ranked offense. In the same breath the people defend the defense by saying "they only gave up X points".

Okay so fair enough, but not really. Let's look at like for like.

Scoring offense (because points are what matters)
Chiefs are 19th. Not 28th

Scoring defense (because points are what matters)
Chiefs are 5th - very good

now compare the same stat that people like to tout as 28th ranked offense..yards per game

Yards Per Game Offense:
Chiefs are 24th

Yards Per Game Defense:
Chiefs are 25th

So pick your poison but keep it consistent on both sides of the ball

[Discuss Thrower]

Kansas City is behind Cleveland on 3rd down conversion percentage.


Cleveland.



35.6% of 3rd downs have been converted this year.

You cannot blame the defense for that.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Kansas City is behind Cleveland on 3rd down conversion percentage.


Cleveland.



35.6% of 3rd downs have been converted this year.

You cannot blame the defense for that.

When your tight end makes a big play downfield say and gives you a first down but then limps off the field with a hurt ankle say then two plays later gets the ball on a reverse and is tackled for a loss I think there is a problem somewhere with the coach making these decisions to put players in harms way. This is what the local media needs to be asking about.


Also third and two on their own 40 yard line shotgun formation draw play for a loss in the backfield. WTF what the **** what the **** what the ****. If a fan watching it on tv can say out loud what the play is going be then the defense is surely going to snuff that play out. Two freaking yards and we think we can fool them with a draw play. Get the **** out of here.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Kansas City is behind Cleveland on 3rd down conversion percentage.


Cleveland.



35.6% of 3rd downs have been converted this year.

You cannot blame the defense for that.

Yet we've won 7 games more than them.

[Discuss Thrower]

So you're totally fine with the notion that the offense fails 66% of the time at it's job of staying on the field.

Totally ****ing fine with that.

Unreal.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

The two things that can be fixed down the stretch: 1) the run defense (routinely ranked in the bottom five for over 2 years and running) 2) the red zone TD% (formerly ranked in the top third, currently in the bottom third)

Here's hoping we can get healthy..

[Chiefshrink]

Until we can stop the run we are toast. Bucs running game opened up their passing game and why they converted so many 3rd downs. Even IF Peters plays yesterday IMHO we still lose. Our defense flashes but is not consistent.

Andy's play calling is much of our problem on offense IMHO. Bucs just flat out manhandled us, far more physical than we were for sure. Their o-line dominated our d-line. After the first two drives of the Bucs I knew it was going to be a long day because you could see they had their confidence and were not intimidated by Arrowhead whatsoever and especially not by our d-front that got gashed and passed on all day.

[Chiefshrink]

I never did buy into the AFC West being the toughest division talk. What the Falcons did to Denver in Mile High just a few weeks ago is what the Bucs did to us yesterday.

Chiefs and Raiders are full on paper tigers and Denver is half a paper tiger only because their D is that good especially their 2ndary. I don't care what the records are because they will be exposed in the playoffs assuming maybe all 3 make it.

Yes I realize there is still a lot of football to be played but I just don't have a good feeling coming down the wire. Yesterday really exposed the Chiefs weaknesses that I don't think can be fixed.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

I never did buy into the AFC West being the toughest division talk. What the Falcons did to Denver in Mile High just a few weeks ago is what the Bucs did to us yesterday.

Chiefs and Raiders are full on paper tigers and Denver is half a paper tiger only because their D is that good especially their 2ndary. I don't care what the records are because they will be exposed in the playoffs assuming maybe all 3 make it.

Yes I realize there is still a lot of football to be played but I just don't have a good feeling coming down the wire. Yesterday really exposed the Chiefs weaknesses that I don't think can be fixed.

Hard to assess a team when 4 key starters (Peters, Ford, Maclin, Howard) are not on the field and Houston isn't up to speed.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by ChiefsLV

I don't understand why people go to such extremes to try and defend a mediocre QB.

They are trolls and want attention. People can't help but respond to them. No different than Clay.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

They are trolls and want attention. People can't help but respond to them. No different than Clay.

You really think that everyone that disagrees with you is a troll? That is insane.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by splatbass

You really think that everyone that disagrees with you is a troll? That is insane.

Not everyone, but Blackbob certainly is.

Mitch Schwartz must be a complete idiot since he agrees the offense isn't cutting it:

“I think the last few weeks, it feels like the offense hasn’t, really, done it’s part in terms of putting up the points that we need to and being able to get our defense in good situations and letting those guys rush. We need figure out why that is and work on it this week and get better.”

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Not everyone, but Blackbob certainly is.

Mitch Schwartz must be a complete idiot since he agrees the offense isn't cutting it:

“I think the last few weeks, it feels like the offense hasn’t, really, done it’s part in terms of putting up the points that we need to and being able to get our defense in good situations and letting those guys rush. We need figure out why that is and work on it this week and get better.”

I don't see many people here arguing the offense is playing well right now. If that is what you see you need to learn to read. What I am seeing is people saying we lost Sunday because the defense sucked. And people like you blaming Alex Smith because it doesn't matter who is at fault it is always Alex Smith with you guys.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Hard to assess a team when 4 key starters (Peters, Ford, Maclin, Howard) are not on the field and Houston isn't up to speed.

Oh but you had no problem assessing the defense with those starters out.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Five years straight the Chiefs have been eliminated from an AFC West title.

I'm sorry, but did the league shorten the season to 10 games and I missed the press release?

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by splatbass

I don't see many people here arguing the offense is playing well right now. If that is what you see you need to learn to read. What I am seeing is people saying we lost Sunday because the defense sucked. And people like you blaming Alex Smith because it doesn't matter who is at fault it is always Alex Smith with you guys.

I blame Reid primarily.

My problem is people saying Smith wasn't a problem this past weekend. His pick was a huge problem. The defense did a poor job getting the Bucs off the field, but at the end of the day held them to under 20. Not great, but with a halfway decent offense at home, it gives you a shot at winning. Except KC doesn't have a decent offense and if the D doesn't have a great game then everything becomes their fault. This was the year the offense was supposed to help carry the D for a change. Instead KC has a head coach who still can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag in the red zone, who still has no clue regarding time management and a starting QB who leaves a lot to be desired other than his sole redeeming quality of "protecting the ball."