Chiefs Alex Smith was not the problem Sunday, sorry haters. - Page 100

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 09:10 PM

Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings:
Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9
Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/

"Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again

This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%).

Against the Bucs...
Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating
Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating
Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating
Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating

GloryDayz · 12-20-2016, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

just adding in.. not fighting your other comments..

Andy assumed that the KC defense would not allow 5 TDs in the second half.. and assumed that 4 of those 5 TDs allowed wouldn't have all been given up in 2 minutes or less.

It was a fair and reasonable assumption, imho. No defense should ever collapse in such epic and unprecedented fashion.

And no coach should allow it to happen either. If need be you call a TO, round-up all the personnel associated with the defense and rip them a new asshole, you do it. Remind them of what's at stake, and that there will be hell to pay if they don't dig a little deeper and make a play. I don't care if "they know it", they might need to hear it from the boss.

The second half was 30 minutes long, not one play, so there were any number of opportunities to make adjustments. I'm sure we'll hear that they did, but I don't buy it.

But it's history, right?

Sandy Vagina · 12-20-2016, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz

And no coach should allow it to happen either. If need be you call a TO, round-up all the personnel associated with the defense and rip them a new asshole, you do it. Remind them of what's at stake, and that there will be hell to pay if they don't dig a little deeper and make a play. I don't care if "they know it", they might need to hear it from the boss.

The second half was 30 minutes long, not one play, so there were any number of opportunities to make adjustments. I'm sure we'll hear that they did, but I don't buy it.

But it's history, right?

It is history.. but recent enough history.. and under the same regime. That is why and only why it can matter to me now.

Very much agree with the other comments you just made.

GloryDayz · 12-20-2016, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

@Glory

I can definitely appreciate much of what you are saying. It also bothers me that Smith seems so laid back on the field. I don't want him to display a sniveling crybaby presence like Brady and Rivers.. but I would like him to show more intensity out there.

My concern is that he is willing to settle for what he has been doing... which makes the Andy + Alex relationship very frustrating. And that frustration is FINE with me when they win games.. not so much when they lose.

I don't want to think Smith is becoming complacent.. since imho, he has proven himself a very capable starter after so much shit in his first 5 years. I'd like to believe he still wants far more than that.. but I no longer feel that certain.

Can we agree to 75% of Brady? Fire is good...

Sandy Vagina · 12-20-2016, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Can we agree to 75% of Brady? Fire is good...

haha, yes we can.

I admire that Brady is such a long-toothed vet and still has that fire. I know much of it is him just being a spoiled, entitled bitch... but all the same.. it's a fire I wish we see much more of in boring ole Al.

NJChiefsFan · 12-20-2016, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

just adding in.. not fighting your other comments..

Andy assumed that the KC defense would not allow 5 TDs in the second half.. and assumed that 4 of those 5 TDs allowed wouldn't have all been given up in 2 minutes or less.

It was a fair and reasonable assumption, imho. No defense should ever collapse in such epic and unprecedented fashion.

Sure but it became obvious what was happening after Smith fumbled. But we just curled up in a ball and prayed for the game to end.

Titty Meat · 12-20-2016, 02:02 PM

Kaepernick has thrown for more tds than smiff yet has started 4 less games.

RippedmyFlesh · 12-20-2016, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay

Kaepernick has thrown for more tds than smiff yet has started 4 less games.

Riddle me that alex ball washers.

stevieray · 12-20-2016, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

It'd be one thing if he were Trent Green, who didn't ever crack 30 TDs on that explosive offense of ours, but put us in positions to let Priest or LJ to get the scores.

Alex certainly doesn't do that.

Ya, if only Ware and the oline had a third time to run the same play from the ONE.

CupidStunt · 12-20-2016, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay

Kaepernick has thrown for more tds than smiff yet has started 4 less games.

With Jeremy Kerley as his #1 WR.

Alex Smith is truly the most pathetic player in the NFL.

stevieray · 12-20-2016, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

That's my point. The D isn't to blame for our last 2 losses, but you can't place blame on them for individual plays leading up to the final events. Same in the Indy game. The offense did enough the first 3 quarters, but in the end they did blow plays that would have bailed the D out. That does matter, but they certainly aren't the reason we lost that game. Reid's conservative play calling and the defense were issues.

Also, while we shouldn't have gone conservative, we still could have simultaneously drained the play clock every snap which we didn't. Milkman said we let some 3:30 left on the clock by not doing so.

....the bottom line is they win AND lose as a team. It's the fans who try to make it about one player.

stevieray · 12-20-2016, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

Riddle me that alex ball washers.

because every single situation is completely identical, right?

CupidStunt · 12-20-2016, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

....the bottom line is they win AND lose as a team. It's the fans who try to make it about one player.

What kind of locker room garbage is this? Who's paying you?

They win with defense, ST and luck. They lose with Alex Whiff. It's pretty simple.

RippedmyFlesh · 12-20-2016, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

because every single situation is completely identical, right?

Starts 4 less games on a crappy team and still produces more td's than alex. And I don't even like kap.

Mr. Plow · 12-20-2016, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CupidStunt

They win with defense, ST and luck. They lose with Alex Whiff. It's pretty simple.

Stats-wise, the Chiefs are not a very good team. They've lucked into or relied on defensive/special teams scores to win. They prevent the other team from scoring a lot, but their rankings in nearly all major categories are not of a super bowl contender.

Total offense: 23
Pass offense: 22
Rush offense: 23
Points per game: 15

Total defense: 28
Pass defense: 19
Rush defense: 28
Scoring defense: 8

Out of the top 10 teams in both the AFC & NFC, the closest I can come to a comparison team is Tampa Bay and even they rank better in nearly every category - except points per game & scoring defense. Every other team does one or two things really well (top 10) whether it's offensively or defensively.

Fantasy football.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 12-20-2016, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Stats-wise, the Chiefs are not a very good team. They've lucked into or relied on defensive/special teams scores to win. They prevent the other team from scoring a lot, but their rankings in nearly all major categories are not of a super bowl contender.

Total offense: 23
Pass offense: 22
Rush offense: 23
Points per game: 15

Total defense: 28
Pass defense: 19
Rush defense: 28
Scoring defense: 8

Out of the top 10 teams in both the AFC & NFC, the closest I can come to a comparison team is Tampa Bay and even they rank better in nearly every category - except points per game & scoring defense. Every other team does one or two things really well (top 10) whether it's offensively or defensively.

Fantasy football.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff
12th in efficiency - Still room to improve but this offense cannot be 'horrid' and be a 10-4 team. By your logic that the defense is doing all the work...then why isn't Denver in 1st?

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TigeRRUppeRRcut Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: 19th Hole Casino cash: $10004725	Alex Smith is a solid QB, sorry haters. Bucs win 5th game in a row. Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings: Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9 Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7 https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/ "Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%). Against the Bucs... Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating Last edited by TigeRRUppeRRcut; 12-11-2016 at 09:10 PM..
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