Chiefs focused on Mahomes, McCaffrey, and Cunningham in RD1

[RunKC]

Zach Cunningham is a need pick. I can think of 5 players off the top of my head that would be far better picks.

He's not a first rd player

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Zach Cunningham is a need pick. I can think of 5 players off the top of my head that would be far better picks.

He's not a first rd player

Nobody said they were looking at Cunningham in the 1st round.

maybe Cuningham is the trade down target

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Zach Cunningham is a need pick. I can think of 5 players off the top of my head that would be far better picks.

He's not a first rd player

I disagree...in part.

I think he IS a first round player, but he'd also be a need pick if acquiring him necessitated any kind of trade up.

He gets knocked because he's a little unique as a player; really weird tackler. His form leaves a lot to be desired but he's not a conventional drag tackler either. He's a 'roll' tackler for lack of a better way of putting it. He locks on and rolls guys over. He's actually damn effective.

But yeah, it looks funny. And while his athleticism doesn't leap off the page, people forget to consider how his reach impacts what he can get to. He's not as quick as Foster but where Foster gains a step running, Cunningham gets that right back by having go go gadget arms.

He's a different kind of player so people don't know what to think about him. Personally I think he'll be a damn good player that will go around pick 45 at the latest and could easily get up into the mid-20s.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I disagree...in part.

I think he IS a first round player, but he'd also be a need pick if acquiring him necessitated any kind of trade up.

He gets knocked because he's a little unique as a player; really weird tackler. His form leaves a lot to be desired but he's not a conventional drag tackler either. He's a 'roll' tackler for lack of a better way of putting it. He locks on and rolls guys over. He's actually damn effective.

But yeah, it looks funny. And while his athleticism doesn't leap off the page, people forget to consider how his reach impacts what he can get to. He's not as quick as Foster but where Foster gains a step running, Cunningham gets that right back by having go go gadget arms.

He's a different kind of player so people don't know what to think about him. Personally I think he'll be a damn good player that will go around pick 45 at the latest and could easily get up into the mid-20s.

I just watched his highlight video. Holy arm tackles Batman! I don't think that will work in the NFL especially not on short yard situations.
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[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by -King-

I just watched his highlight video. Holy arm tackles Batman! I don't think that will work in the NFL especially not on short yard situations.
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He does arm tackle, yes.

If you know that going in, though - watch how he does it. It's not a drag tackle and he's not a guy that EVER gets run through because his arms are so damn long that he can still wrap.

He's a weird, weird prospect. I like him, but I can certainly understand why some don't. I just take some umbrage with the idea that he's Ramik Wilson picking around the pile or Donnie Edwards getting carried 5 yards past first contact. What he does, he does on purpose and not because he's tentative. He's a willing tackler, he just appears to have always gotten great results with this odd technique of his so he still uses it.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He does arm tackle, yes.

If you know that going in, though - watch how he does it. It's not a drag tackle and he's not a guy that EVER gets run through because his arms are so damn long that he can still wrap.

He's a weird, weird prospect. I like him, but I can certainly understand why some don't. I just take some umbrage with the idea that he's Ramik Wilson picking around the pile or Donnie Edwards getting carried 5 yards past first contact. What he does, he does on purpose and not because he's tentative. He's a willing tackler, he just appears to have always gotten great results with this odd technique of his so he still uses it.

It's Hawk Tackling. I haven't checked, but would be willing to bet the majority of the team tackles similarly. Get used to it... everyone will be tackling similarly within 10 years. I just started teaching it this year.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Sully

It's Hawk Tackling. I haven't checked, but would be willing to bet the majority of the team tackles similarly. Get used to it... everyone will be tackling similarly within 10 years. I just started teaching it this year.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sully

It's Hawk Tackling. I haven't checked, but would be willing to bet the majority of the team tackles similarly. Get used to it... everyone will be tackling similarly within 10 years. I just started teaching it this year.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Thanks; good information.

He's a slightly more extreme version of that in that he often omits the shoulder to the chest part (which seems to be foundational for 'hawk tackling' and honestly it's similar to the 'head across the body' technique I was taught almost 20 years ago).

But that's the first time I've seen the leg whip/roll taught as an actual technique rather than the hip thrust and drive.

Like I said, Cunningham uses that to outstanding effect - he's not a tentative tackler. He's just something you have to get used to. He's going to be a very good player, IMO.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by Sully

It's Hawk Tackling. I haven't checked, but would be willing to bet the majority of the team tackles similarly. Get used to it... everyone will be tackling similarly within 10 years. I just started teaching it this year.

Seahawks taking credit for this technique is laughable. Elite rugby has been doing this forever.

Higher-level competition like college/pro can succeed with this, but it is tough to teach for high school or minor football. I don't like the tracking techniques. The progressions USA Football, Football Canada and the originator FootballUniversity (Thurmond Moore) teach and implement are much better in my opinion with regards to building fundamentals and sound technique.

Like anything you commit to for a program, you have to marry it. If one starts trying to combine different aspects of multiple approach s it becomes problematic with terminology and consistency.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

Seahawks taking credit for this technique is laughable. Elite rugby has been doing this forever.

Higher-level competition like college/pro can succeed with this, but it is tough to teach for high school or minor football. I don't like the tracking techniques. The progressions USA Football, Football Canada and the originator FootballUniversity (Thurmond Moore) teach and implement are much better in my opinion with regards to building fundamentals and sound technique.

Like anything you commit to for a program, you have to marry it. If one starts trying to combine different aspects of multiple approach s it becomes problematic with terminology and consistency.

The tracking is what made me finally buy into it. I like how it fits perfectly into teaching inside-out, eliminates cutbacks if done correctly, and leads to better angles for gang-tackling. It took me about a year to wrap my head around it, because it is essentially the opposite of the head across that I was taught and coached for years. But I am a fan, now.