Browns Trade OL Cam Erving To Chiefs

[okiedokieokoye]

For a 2018 5th Round pick.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Or why a 5th round pick was going to be what replaced them.

The Chiefs are down on draft capital, yes. But that ship sailed when they traded their 1st. They still have 2, 3, 4 and 6. The 7th means precisely **** all.

The odds of that 5th rounder being the guy that replaces Hali/DJ or the backup QB are pretty damn remote.

I just can't bring myself to care about the loss of a 5th. Meanwhile, if this trade allows us to move on from Reid or not extend Fulton, it creates cap savings that would allow us to find creative methods to deal with other openings on the roster.

If you can turn a 5th into an asset of any sort, you do it. Now the question remains whether or not he's an actual asset (which is why I said yesterday I'd probably only give a 6th for him) but a 5th vs. a 6th isn't that much to worry about. If he can play in any meaningful capacity, this will be a much better use of the 5th in '18 than the pick itself would've yielded.

Some of the draft pundits on twitter are all up in arms over it. Hell, even the over the cap guy is all doom and gloom in 2018 for the chiefs due to high contracts and such.

I don't see any way, barring something crazy like a super bowl win, that Alex and tamba are here next year.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Cleveland has an excellent track record of drafting and developing players

That's a glib response.

The Browns have very good OL coaching. They've failed in many ways but drafting/developing OL talent is not one of them.

This isn't the 'catch all' response it oft is when dealing with former Browns. If the Browns weren't able to make him merely serviceable as opposed to abjectly terrible, there's a very good chance that he just flat sucks.

We shall see.

[jettio]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Erving sucks ass from what I saw of him during his rookie season. He had too many plays that looked like this:



Didn't pay attention to him beyond that so idk how much he has improved since then, if at all.

Another example of a Brown RB failing to hit the hole and run downhill.

I think the Erving reverse-pancake was setting up the defender for a play later in the game. That play would have really gotten blown up if not for the Browns center's chip block.

Seems like the new Browns FO is trying to make the point that the previous regime drated a lot of Dawg-shit.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Some of the draft pundits on twitter are all up in arms over it. Hell, even the over the cap guy is all doom and gloom in 2018 for the chiefs due to high contracts and such.

I don't see any way, barring something crazy like a super bowl win, that Alex and tamba are here next year.

The writing was on the wall the moment the LDT contract was signed. It was obvious they were preparing for a world without Smith and Hali. I think the Ragland deal suggests that DJ is unlikely to return as well.

There's $42 million that can come off that cap in Smith, Hali, DJ and Reid. If Bailey has a strong, healthy year you'll extend him and reduce that $8 million figure for next season and if he doesn't have a strong, healthy year you'll move on from him.

This team's gonna be fine on the cap next season.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's a glib response.

Cleveland's done well in drafting offensive lineman, from Alex Mack to Joe Thomas to Mitch Schwartz and Joel Bitonio.

It's possible that Erving sucks but it's just as possible that he wasn't suited for Hue's offense.

Time will tell.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Or why a 5th round pick was going to be what replaced them.

The Chiefs are down on draft capital, yes. But that ship sailed when they traded their 1st. They still have 2, 3, 4 and 6. The 7th means precisely **** all.

The odds of that 5th rounder being the guy that replaces Hali/DJ or the backup QB are pretty damn remote.

I just can't bring myself to care about the loss of a 5th. Meanwhile, if this trade allows us to move on from Reid or not extend Fulton, it creates cap savings that would allow us to find creative methods to deal with other openings on the roster.

If you can turn a 5th into an asset of any sort, you do it. Now the question remains whether or not he's an actual asset (which is why I said yesterday I'd probably only give a 6th for him) but a 5th vs. a 6th isn't that much to worry about. If he can play in any meaningful capacity, this will be a much better use of the 5th in '18 than the pick itself would've yielded.

It looks like both of these trades help the team for now and 2018 specifically.

Zach Fulton is in a contract year. He's likely gone next year, hopefully to a smart team that wants to pay him a decent contract to play C. In reality, Dorsey would have likely drafted that replacement in next years draft with a 4th or 5th anyway.

DJ could be done at any moment and we have plenty of good options to explore, including a would-be first rd pick.

This is going to save us money as well as great depth from small risk moves.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The writing was on the wall the moment the LDT contract was signed. It was obvious they were preparing for a world without Smith and Hali. I think the Ragland deal suggests that DJ is unlikely to return as well.

There's $42 million that can come off that cap in Smith, Hali, DJ and Reid. If Bailey has a strong, healthy year you'll extend him and reduce that $8 million figure for next season and if he doesn't have a strong, healthy year you'll move on from him.

This team's gonna be fine on the cap next season.

If they do that specific permutation of events they're fine on the cap.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Browns trade Cameron Erving to Chiefs

The Browns weren’t able to trade cornerback Joe Haden, but they have been able to move another player that was on their trading block.

The Browns have traded offensive lineman Cameron Erving to the Chiefs in a deal announced by both teams on Wednesday afternoon. Kansas City will send a 2018 fifth-round pick to Cleveland.

The Browns now have 13 picks in the 2018 draft, including five in the first two rounds and multiple picks in every round other than the third and seventh.

Erving was a 2015 first-round pick by the Browns and spent most of last season as their starting center. He also saw time at guard and was getting time at tackle this summer, but was ticketed for a backup role before reports of their interest in trading him emerged this week.

Erving will likely be in a reserve role for the Chiefs as well and his experience at multiple positions could wind up changing their plans about which other offensive linemen were headed for the 53-man roster. Erving is signed through the 2018 season with salaries of just under $1.3 million and just over $1.7 million.

Erving is the second trade acquisition of the week for the Chiefs. They acquired linebacker Reggie Ragland for a 2019 fourth-round pick in an earlier deal.



http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ing-to-chiefs/

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

If they do that specific permutation of events they're fine on the cap.

Well, there's absolutely no way that Hali and Reid are with the Chiefs in 2018 and Reid's unlikely to make the 53 this year.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The writing was on the wall the moment the LDT contract was signed. It was obvious they were preparing for a world without Smith and Hali. I think the Ragland deal suggests that DJ is unlikely to return as well.

There's $42 million that can come off that cap in Smith, Hali, DJ and Reid. If Bailey has a strong, healthy year you'll extend him and reduce that $8 million figure for next season and if he doesn't have a strong, healthy year you'll move on from him.

This team's gonna be fine on the cap next season.

I could see Parker being gone as well.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Hey, cooper is gonna pan out. He's playing in Dallas now right?

I forgot we got into a disagreement about Cooper before

And yes, he's a Cowboy

[Dante84]

Would they have taken the time to ask Mitch Schwartz what his opinion of Erving is, prior to making the trade?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I could see Parker being gone as well.

I can only see Parker cut if Murray and/or McQuay are ready to replace him and I don't think McQuay even makes the 53 this year.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by Dante84

Would they have taken the time to ask Mitch Schwartz what his opinion of Erving is, prior to making the trade?

That was my initial thought as well.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

If they do that specific permutation of events they're fine on the cap.

Why wouldn't they?