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Old 08-30-2017, 11:49 AM  
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Browns Trade OL Cam Erving To Chiefs
For a 2018 5th Round pick.
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Old 08-30-2017, 03:07 PM   #256
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I forgot we got into a disagreement about Cooper before

And yes, he's a Cowboy
Is he starting at LG?
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Old 08-30-2017, 03:11 PM   #257
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Eh.

Feels like when the Royals signed Travis Wood.

Maybe he'll be better than what we already have?
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Old 08-30-2017, 03:15 PM   #258
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Is he starting at LG?
He's battling Chaz Green for the job. Green is currently the starter according to their depth chart.
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Old 08-30-2017, 03:21 PM   #259
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All this fuss over a back up OL? They will coach him up and he'll be alright. He can't do any
Worse than what we've seen Mahomes deal with.
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Old 08-30-2017, 03:22 PM   #260
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If they do that specific permutation of events they're fine on the cap.
Sure.

And if they have to, that's exactly what they'll do and it wouldn't really hurt them too badly. Worst case scenario is that DJ/Hali cut their figures in half via additional restructuring.

Smith's gone. They're not carrying him at $20 million if Mahomes shows anything at all in terms of development this year.

The point being that they have options and those options aren't catastrophic. Moreover, an extra 5th round pick would've done precisely dick to truly change those options/outcomes.
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Old 08-30-2017, 03:25 PM   #261
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I could see Parker being gone as well.
I thought about putting him in that group but I'm not impressed by Murray just yet. I'd have to see more first.

And he's at an age where he's not going to want to see the market. If they approach him with a salary cut, I'd imagine they can get one done. If they need to free that up, they'll reduce his '18 and '19 salaries by turning '18 into a bonus and reducing the salaries for both years. They may end up keeping him in '19 if he's still effective but it's always critical to remind yourself that Ron Parker is much much older than we realize.
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I thought about putting him in that group but I'm not impressed by Murray just yet. I'd have to see more first.

And he's at an age where he's not going to want to see the market. If they approach him with a salary cut, I'd imagine they can get one done. If they need to free that up, they'll reduce his '18 and '19 salaries by turning '18 into a bonus and reducing the salaries for both years. They may end up keeping him in '19 if he's still effective but it's always critical to remind yourself that Ron Parker is much much older than we realize.
I think Parker and Bailey are the guys we should keep around for a couple more years.

I'm already considering Hali/DJ/Alex gone next year.
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Erving has ranked inside the bottom three at his position in each of the last two years in terms of his pass-block efficiency.

On 438 passing plays in 2016, Erving was tied for second among centers for total pressures allowed.

The Browns this offseason recently signed former Green Bay Packers center J.C. Tretter and former Cincinnati Bengals guard Kevin Zeitler, who ranked ninth and seventh, respectively, at their positions last year.

Right tackle is realistically the only spot he can compete at, and with Shon Coleman producing a PFF grade of 72.2 on the small sample of 62 snaps, there may not be a starting spot for the 2015 first-round draft pick on the Browns offensive line in 2017.
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I'll say this regarding Erving.

I give the Browns staff credit for coaching OL, but it's almost impossible to be as bad as Erving has been while being relatively physically gifted. Watching his feet makes simply no sense to me at all. I didn't even like him coming into the draft (the Barnes thread was the most involved conversation I had) but I never saw a guy who simply couldn't set his base.

He's regressed considerably. He isn't THIS bad. There has to be a mental roadblock that he's just not clearing. Something is ****ed up between his ears because there's no reason he should be arguably the worst damn interior lineman in football.

So if the physical tools are there, there's at least a non-zero chance that Heck can unlock them.

I'd still cut Jah Reid's ass. Keep Fisher, Schwartz, Morse, Ehinger, LDT, Witzmann, Fulton and Erving. Squirrel Mama away on the PS with Devey. If you lose another T, you move Witzmann out wide and bring Mama up as his replacement on the interior.
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Old 08-30-2017, 03:45 PM   #267
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Erving sucks ass from what I saw of him during his rookie season. He had too many plays that looked like this:



Didn't pay attention to him beyond that so idk how much he has improved since then, if at all.
Does the center stand on his foot and that causes him to go down in that play
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What's colquitts number next year? Surely he's gone as well, right?
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What's colquitts number next year? Surely he's gone as well, right?
FA.

And he'd damn well better be. It's time for Andy to nut up and tell his all-world special teams coordinator that he'd better earn his money with our cheap-ass punter.
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Does the center stand on his foot and that causes him to go down in that play
Doesn't look like it. Look at his upper half on that play - he's trying to anchor and drive there right as the DL makes contact. Even if he wanted to move his foot back, I don't think he could've.

He just ended up so upright in his stance that the DL got under his pads and absolutely ****ed him up. As soon as he makes contact with the DL, his forward momentum just stopped. But you get no indication from anything else on his body that he was prepared to be driven backwards - he was selling out for drive and did such a bad job staying low that he got detonated.

Hard to find an excuse for that play - everything about it was bad.
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