Chiefs Browns Trade OL Cam Erving To Chiefs

**Perineum Ripper** · 08-30-2017, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Erving sucks ass from what I saw of him during his rookie season. He had too many plays that looked like this:

Didn't pay attention to him beyond that so idk how much he has improved since then, if at all.

Does the center stand on his foot and that causes him to go down in that play

DJ's left nut · 08-30-2017, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mac459

Does the center stand on his foot and that causes him to go down in that play

Doesn't look like it. Look at his upper half on that play - he's trying to anchor and drive there right as the DL makes contact. Even if he wanted to move his foot back, I don't think he could've.

He just ended up so upright in his stance that the DL got under his pads and absolutely ****ed him up. As soon as he makes contact with the DL, his forward momentum just stopped. But you get no indication from anything else on his body that he was prepared to be driven backwards - he was selling out for drive and did such a bad job staying low that he got detonated.

Hard to find an excuse for that play - everything about it was bad.

**Perineum Ripper** · 08-30-2017, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Doesn't look like it. Look at his upper half on that play - he's trying to anchor and drive there right as the DL makes contact. Even if he wanted to move his foot back, I don't think he could've.

He just ended up so upright in his stance that the DL got under his pads and absolutely ****ed him up. As soon as he makes contact with the DL, his forward momentum just stopped. But you get no indication from anything else on his body that he was prepared to be driven backwards - he was selling out for drive and did such a bad job staying low that he got detonated.

Hard to find an excuse for that play - everything about it was bad.

I seen he was really upright and knew he was ****ed but thought the center caught his foot and wasn't able to step back to try and recover.

Yeah it was really shitty

DJ's left nut · 08-30-2017, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mac459

I seen he was really upright and knew he was ****ed but thought the center caught his foot and wasn't able to step back to try and recover.

Yeah it was really shitty

Like I said, it just looks like he's so committed to that initial drive block that 'step back and try to recover' wasn't even a thought on his mind at the time.

I could be wrong, but to my eyes that just looks like a guy getting fed his lunch because he ****ed up real bad, real fast.

**Easy 6** · 08-30-2017, 04:42 PM

Damn, Veach is picking up right where Dorsey left off

Say what you will about Erving in Cleveland, but this isnt Cleveland... this is a typical Dorsey signing, a high upside guy with elite measurables

Even if he doesnt pan out, it shows that Veach is using much the same methodology as Dorsey

I love it

Hog's Gone Fishin · 08-30-2017, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Damn, Veach is picking up right where Dorsey left off

Say what you will about Erving in Cleveland, but this isnt Cleveland... this is a typical Dorsey signing, a high upside guy with elite measurables

Even if he doesnt pan out, it shows that Veach is using much the same methodology as Dorsey

I love it

I guess we'll see

Halfcan · 08-30-2017, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Damn, Veach is picking up right where Dorsey left off

Say what you will about Erving in Cleveland, but this isnt Cleveland... this is a typical Dorsey signing, a high upside guy with elite measurables

Even if he doesnt pan out, it shows that Veach is using much the same methodology as Dorsey

I love it

Only thing elite is that he sucked at three different positions- the scrub trifecta.

When a 1-15 team is tired of you- there is nowhere to go but up.

Dorsey would have saved the draft pick.

**Easy 6** · 08-30-2017, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Only thing elite is that he sucked at three different positions- the scrub trifecta.

When a 1-15 team is tired of you- there is nowhere to go but up.

Dorsey would have saved the draft pick.

Dude its Cleveland, even with their solid record along the O line, it doesnt mean that the culture as a whole is any good

Thats no promise the guy will turn into anything, but Cleveland is what it is... and we all see down and out players change teams and turn their fortunes around

Also, dont discount the fact that they never really let him settle in anywhere... they may well have thrown too much at him too soon, and ****ed him all up

My biggest takeaway here, is that Veach seems to be using the same 'decision lens' as Dorsey... and we've seen that style pay off time and time again, too many times for me to question it

Its a 5th, we'll be fine bro

RippedmyFlesh · 08-30-2017, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Dude its Cleveland, even with their solid record along the O line, it doesnt mean that the culture as a whole is any good

Thats no promise the guy will turn into anything, but Cleveland is what it is... and we all see down and out players change teams and turn their fortunes around

Also, dont discount the fact that they never really let him settle in anywhere... they may well have thrown too much at him too soon, and ****ed him all up

My biggest takeaway here, is that Veach seems to be using the same 'decision lens' as Dorsey... and we've seen that style pay off time and time again, too many times for me to question it

Its a 5th, we'll be fine bro

I know it may be early to say but it appears it is the system more so than the man. For a while when dorsey was fired I feared it may be a Bill Polian type thing where it seemed like more the person than the system.
We learned painfully what happens when its the system with pioli.
This time we are on the good side of that result. Although unlike pioli I still believe dorsey can build a good team if given another chance. I feel great about Veach. Fun time to be a Chief's fan.

**Easy 6** · 08-30-2017, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

I know it may be early to say but it appears it is the system more so than the man. For a while when dorsey was fired I feared it may be a Bill Polian type thing where it seemed like more the person than the system.
We learned painfully what happens when its the system with pioli.
This time we are on the good side of that result. Although unlike pioli I still believe dorsey can build a good team if given another chance. I feel great about Veach. Fun time to be a Chief's fan.

Its still early, but Veach so far is coming off like a younger John Dorsey

He is maybe being even more aggressive, but still using the same basic template... and I'm not gonna argue with that

Buckweath · 08-30-2017, 05:37 PM

Some might not like the trade but when you think of it, I really don't think that a 5th round pick is any more likely to become a good starter than Erving has of turning it around and becoming a good starter.

I consider that it is more likely that Erving will stay the course and continue being a bust but for a 5th round pick Ill take the risk knowing he was once widely viewed as a very good oline prospect. Plus Veach is supposed to be a good scout so lets see.

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Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $-212225	Damn, Veach is picking up right where Dorsey left off Say what you will about Erving in Cleveland, but this isnt Cleveland... this is a typical Dorsey signing, a high upside guy with elite measurables Even if he doesnt pan out, it shows that Veach is using much the same methodology as Dorsey I love it
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Buckweath Veteran Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Quebec, Canada Casino cash: $9994975	Some might not like the trade but when you think of it, I really don't think that a 5th round pick is any more likely to become a good starter than Erving has of turning it around and becoming a good starter. I consider that it is more likely that Erving will stay the course and continue being a bust but for a 5th round pick Ill take the risk knowing he was once widely viewed as a very good oline prospect. Plus Veach is supposed to be a good scout so lets see.
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