Chiefs Let's talk about Harris's catch. - Page 9

**BigRedChief** · 10-16-2017, 08:47 AM

We have visual evidence he had control of the ball with two feet down.

If someone leans forward and puts the ball across the goal line, then gets it batted away by the defense before he's down, its still a TD.

Reid says he didn't think it was a catch, so he didn't challenge. Why not challenge anyway. Sometimes you get the call when you didn't think you had a chance.

The only way I can see thats not a catch is that stupid rule of controlling the ball when going to the ground.

I havent heard from anyone who knows the rules inside and out. Was this a case of not controlling the ball when going to the ground?

Amnorix · 10-16-2017, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Shag

Nice find. If Eisen knows what he's talking about, then sounds like the ruling on Sunday was correct.

Official NFL website...

In case you want to see any other videos of rules / interpretations:

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules...ideo-rulebook/

temper11 · 10-16-2017, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

I'm assuming he's actually joking, based on teh Pats/Jets play. Here, that kind of play in the end zone can ONLY be a TD or an incomplete pass. A fumble/touchback is impossible because if the catch is complete, the play is immediately dead. There is no opportunity to fumble.

See the link I posted. The Butler strip of OBJ a half-second after the "catch". That's incomplete, and has been consistently called that way for quite a while now.

yeah... I think your video proves my point more than yours, but we are disagreeing over an interpretation of "simultaneous". In the rule-book vid, the rule states "if the ball comes out simultaneous or near simultaneous to the second foot coming down it's incomplete".... In the OBJ "catch" the ball is punched out almost exactly as the second foot comes down or just a hair after. However, Harris actually took 3 steps, not 2, before the ball BEGINS to get stripped and they start wrestling.

But I agree, they would have never given the Chiefs that call, or overturned the call on the field. Should have kicked the dang FG anyway, so...

temper11 · 10-16-2017, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

I'm assuming he's actually joking, based on teh Pats/Jets play. Here, that kind of play in the end zone can ONLY be a TD or an incomplete pass. A fumble/touchback is impossible because if the catch is complete, the play is immediately dead. There is no opportunity to fumble.

See the link I posted. The Butler strip of OBJ a half-second after the "catch". That's incomplete, and has been consistently called that way for quite a while now.

Correct, it couldn't be a fumble, just an incompletion. But I've thought on a number of occasions - since this new "complete the process of the catch" rule - that some of these players spike the ball way too quickly, but I've not seen anyone get burned on it yet.

jd1020 · 10-16-2017, 04:42 PM

If people think thats a catch then they've been living under a rock since 2010.

Amnorix · 10-16-2017, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by temper11

Correct, it couldn't be a fumble, just an incompletion. But I've thought on a number of occasions - since this new "complete the process of the catch" rule - that some of these players spike the ball way too quickly, but I've not seen anyone get burned on it yet.

I do think if you got two feet down and immediately spiked the ball, you'd definitely be at risk of having it called incomplete. Pretty silly, but not worth the risk. It's another reason to like Gronk's big wind up. It usually takes him like 5 seconds to finally spike the damn thing.

PAChiefsGuy · 10-16-2017, 05:01 PM

Definitely not a catch... Lots of homer posts in this thread.

Warrick · 10-16-2017, 05:03 PM

“I feel like I had the ball long enough, for two seconds, to call it a touchdown,” Harris said.

*Regardless what you believe there should of been a pass interference called on that play.

**Ming the Merciless** · 10-16-2017, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Canofbier

This is sort of where I've landed (ha). I mean, if he's caught and controlled the ball (which you could feasibly argue that he had), how long is he supposed to stand there with it before the play is dead? It seems like the answer should be "zero".

this is my question

how long does he have to stand there, even if a defender has his hand touching the ball....? 1 second? 5? I would think zero as well....

**Ming the Merciless** · 10-16-2017, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

1. Is he capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent? No, he got absolutely raped on this play and it should have been pass interference on #28.

2. Is he capable of tucking the ball away? No, again because #28 was busy raping him and then momentum kept him from bringing his arms into a tuck position.

3. Is he capable of turning up field? No, again because #28 is now at his feet impeding his progress and tripping him up.

4. Is he capable of taking additional steps? Not while keeping his arms attached to both himself and the football.

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aslo, those are an "or" situation, correct? so just fulflling any of the conditions would satisfy the argument. seemingly

kccrow · 10-16-2017, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

aslo, those are an "or" situation, correct? so just fulflling any of the conditions would satisfy the argument. seemingly

Yes. Any single one and it should have been ruled a catch. He didn't clearly make a 3rd step before the ball came loose, at least that I can see.

**MahiMike** · 10-16-2017, 06:23 PM

What catch?

Pointer19 · 10-16-2017, 06:33 PM

I may just be a homer, but I'll stand by my initial reaction that it's a catch.

stevieray · 10-16-2017, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

All you need to know about how that challenge woudl have went is to look at the Jets TD getting taken off that board.

If he didn't have possession, no way did Harris.

You have to ask why not run Kelce on that route and have Harris split wide. Kelce has much better hands and burst. Much better chance of him coming down with that football.

I saw a play where he was running his route like he still had a concussion.

He had no fire yesterday.

l4z4rd · 10-16-2017, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

If they spiked it too fast, then yeah, possibly. Arguably that's exactly what happened to Megatron back when his TD was overturned.

Here's all you need (maybe), including video showing complete/incomplete catches. Note the Beckham incomplete pass in the end zone when Butler knocks it out. Starts at about 1:12. Two feet down, clear control, then Butler knocks it out a half-second later. INcomplete.

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules...eting-a-catch/

In the Beckham catch, Butler knocked the ball out before a 3rd step was made. Harris took an additional step after both feet landed before the ball was knocked out.

splatbass · 10-16-2017, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Harris is beyond terrible.

He can't catch.

He can't block.

Except that he caught the ball.

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