Why are so many national writers so high on the Chargers?

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by sedated

a borderline HOF QB.

Yeah....idk about that one. That's a stretch.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Yeah....idk about that one. That's a stretch.

Yeah, I'd love to know how many HOF QBs there are who have never even played in a Super Bowl. Rivers has longevity with a team going for him, but beyond that he's really just another mediocre QB.

EDIT: There are actually quite a few, so who knows? Maybe he'll make it in.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-b...er-bowl-2012-1

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Yeah....idk about that one. That's a stretch.

Rivers is 9th all time in passing yards, one in front of Warren Moon (HOF) and a few spots behind Dan Marino (HOF), neither played in a SB.

On the flip side, he's not too far ahead of Carson Palmer (12), Vinny Testaverde (13), Drew Bledsoe (14), and Kerry Collins (17).

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by sedated

Rivers is 9th all time in passing yards, one in front of Warren Moon (HOF) and a few spots behind Dan Marino (HOF), neither played in a SB.

On the flip side, he's not too far ahead of Carson Palmer (12), Vinny Testaverde (13), Drew Bledsoe (14), and Kerry Collins (17).

9th all time is not HoF type numbers. HoF numbers are generally record breaking type numbers at their time.

At no point has Rivers ever been in that category. Warren Moon was crushing NFL records in his time.

"In 1990, Moon led the league with 4,689 passing yards. He also led the league in attempts (584), completions (362), and touchdowns (33), and tied Dan Marino's record with nine 300-yard games in a season. That included throwing for 527 yards against Kansas City on December 16, 1990, the second-most passing yards ever in a single game.[15] The following year, he again led the league in passing yards, with 4,690. At the same time, he joined Marino and Dan Fouts as the only quarterbacks to post back-to-back 4,000-yard seasons. Moon also established new NFL records that season with 655 attempts and 404 completions."

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

9th all time is not HoF type numbers. HoF numbers are generally record breaking type numbers at their time.

All the QBs in the top 10 in passing yards are, or will be, in the HOF. (Unless Rivers is the only outlier)

All the QBs in the top 10 in passing TDs are, or will be, in the HOF. Rivers is 6th. (Unless Rivers is the only outlier)

I'm not saying Rivers is a lock, but to say it's not even borderline seems a bit biased.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by sedated

All the QBs in the top 10 in passing yards are, or will be, in the HOF. (Unless Rivers is the only outlier)

All the QBs in the top 10 in passing TDs are, or will be, in the HOF. Rivers is 6th. (Unless Rivers is the only outlier)

I'm not saying Rivers is a lock, but to say it's not even borderline seems a bit biased.

Rivers a HOFer? If it happens, then HOF will truly mean nothing.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Rivers a HOFer? If it happens, then HOF will truly mean nothing.

Already the case. Bettis is in.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by sedated

All the QBs in the top 10 in passing yards are, or will be, in the HOF. (Unless Rivers is the only outlier)

All the QBs in the top 10 in passing TDs are, or will be, in the HOF. Rivers is 6th. (Unless Rivers is the only outlier)

I'm not saying Rivers is a lock, but to say it's not even borderline seems a bit biased.

As a San Diegan, i've watched him his whole career. He's a perennial choker. For years i lectured CPers not to sleep on Rivers.

But it's time to call a spade a spade. The dude has not been good in awhile. The Rivers that people have in there heads is long gone. I haven't seen that QB in a long time. No bias here.

It's just been a long time since he performed like a winning QB.

The Rivers/HOF debate is something that was a popular topic in SD. Years ago, i agreed that he had a HOF type career path. But these last several years have not amounted to anything. He's regressed IMO.

Again, what is Rivers' HOF moment?

What big game did he win?

What was his memorable, heroic moment?

He's a QB with a losing record, and in his era wasn't BREAKING records. The other stat guys you mentioned were game changers in their era. Rivers is not.

[Best22]

"If only the Chargers had a kicker!"

Yeah right. That guy missed one field goal, the other was blocked

Fact that people don't want to admit is that if LACk had beaten KC just once, Chargers would have been in the playoffs while KC would have been at home twiddling their thumbs

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

As a San Diegan, i've watched him his whole career. He's a perennial choker. For years i lectured CPers not to sleep on Rivers.

But it's time to call a spade a spade. The dude has not been good in awhile. The Rivers that people have in there heads is long gone. I haven't seen that QB in a long time. No bias here.

It's just been a long time since he performed like a winning QB.

The Rivers/HOF debate is something that was a popular topic in SD. Years ago, i agreed that he had a HOF type career path. But these last several years have not amounted to anything. He's regressed IMO.

Again, what is Rivers' HOF moment?

What big game did he win?

What was his memorable, heroic moment?

He's a QB with a losing record, and in his era wasn't BREAKING records. The other stat guys you mentioned were game changers in their era. Rivers is not.

He did knock Peyton Manning and the Dolts out of the playoffs in back-to-back years. That has to count for something.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by sedated

Rivers is 9th all time in passing yards, one in front of Warren Moon (HOF) and a few spots behind Dan Marino (HOF), neither played in a SB.

On the flip side, he's not too far ahead of Carson Palmer (12), Vinny Testaverde (13), Drew Bledsoe (14), and Kerry Collins (17).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XIX

Marino's lone SB appearance was tarnished by a lopsided loss.

If you put Marino on those loaded San Fran teams- they would have would 10 SuperBowls.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XIX

Marino's lone SB appearance was tarnished by a lopsided loss.

Can't believe I forgot about that.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by sedated

Can't believe I forgot about that.

I think a lot of people forget about how great Marino was. He didn't just break records, he destroyed them.

That year he played Montana in the SB was his 2nd year in the NFL.

It will be Mahomes 2nd year.

Marino had one of the greatest years ever for a QB but ultimately came up short in the big game against Montana- who was also a Chief.

Mahomes is a Chief.

Marino had a pair of stud receivers that were nearly impossible to cover and a suspect defense.

Mahomes will have a pair of ultra speedy receivers and a possible suspect defense.

Marino and Montana's last names start with M.

Mahomes last name starts with M.

Montana and Marino both had great coaches that helped their career.

Mahomes also has a coach that many consider great- that has helped him.

Marino was interviewed in the draft by the Chiefs.

Mahomes was also interviewed by the Chiefs.

And lastly- Marino has stated that Mahomes "Looks like me-with better wheels."

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

I think a lot of people forget about how great Marino was. He didn't just break records, he destroyed them.

That year he played Montana in the SB was his 2nd year in the NFL.

It will be Mahomes 2nd year.

Marino had one of the greatest years ever for a QB but ultimately came up short in the big game against Montana- who was also a Chief.

Mahomes is a Chief.

Marino had a pair of stud receivers that were nearly impossible to cover and a suspect defense.

Mahomes will have a pair of ultra speedy receivers and a possible suspect defense.

Marino and Montana's last names start with M.

Mahomes last name starts with M.

Montana and Marino both had great coaches that helped their career.

Mahomes also has a coach that many consider great- that has helped him.

Marino was interviewed in the draft by the Chiefs.

Mahomes was also interviewed by the Chiefs.

And lastly- Marino has stated that Mahomes "Looks like me-with better wheels."

Mahomes was drafted in a year where the Chiefs took a QB in the top ten, and Marino was drafted in a year where the Chiefs took a QB in the top ten.

Patrick Mahomes II is jersey number 15. 15 - II = 13 = Dan Marino's jersey number.

Mahomes was drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs. Marino was drafted by the Kansas City Royals.