Chiefs Score immediately vs. run clock - Page 3

**DaFace** · 11-19-2018, 11:21 PM

I don't think this is egregious clock management, but...

1st and goal on the 10 yard line. Down by 3 (44-47). 2:50 on the clock. Chiefs have 3 timeouts. Rams have none.

Am I crazy to think we should have run Kareem a couple times there? I know the Rams scored in 45 seconds on the next drive, but it sure feels like that would have put a lot of pressure on them to score, and I'm pretty confident we could have gotten in for the TD even if we just ran it 4 times.

Discus.

Ribbs67 · 11-20-2018, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar

You score as soon as you can score, don't leave it to chance.*

*This strategy only works if you have a defense

You guys are stuck on the Alex Smith era.. Mahomes is a Thoughbred. Everyone knows a race horse will run itself into the ground if you continue to push it. Andy's job is to know when to pull in the reins a little. We we're scoring like a knife through butter as were the Rams. Andy had the chance to make sure we had the ball last on the 10 freaking yard line. With the win or at least a tie!. You run that damn clock down to almost nothing..It's coaching 101!

**hometeam** · 11-20-2018, 07:47 AM

You have to score if you can. Period.

kcpasco · 11-20-2018, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ribbs67

You guys are stuck on the Alex Smith era.. Mahomes is a Thoughbred. Everyone knows a race horse will run itself into the ground if you continue to push it. Andy's job is to know when to pull in the reins a little. We we're scoring like a knife through butter as were the Rams. Andy had the chance to make sure we had the ball last on the 10 freaking yard line. With the win or at least a tie!. You run that damn clock down to almost nothing..It's coaching 101!

Andy will never learn clock management. It’s always been his crutch, just gotta hope Pat is good enough to drag him to the finish line.

**Shaid** · 11-20-2018, 08:13 AM

So, once we were on the 10 it's a different situation and you really only have 3 tries to get that TD. I felt we should have been a bit more methodical when we got to around the 50 so we could ensure some clock got wasted. I actually told my wife when they called that penalty against the Rams that put us on the 10 that the penalty actually hurt us. Stopped the clock and put us to where we had 3 shots to score and that was it. If they don't call it, we can call a couple plays, waste more clock, and put the Rams backs against the wall a bit more. So I view it as situational. Should have wasted more clock earlier in the drive. Once you are on the 10, you kind of need to ensure you get a score.

dj56dt58 · 11-20-2018, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

They definitely should have ran it a few times. Ironically, even when giving us a hit to the helmet call on Harris the refs found a way to screw us. That shouldn’t have been a penalty. If that doesn’t happen it’s 2nd and 6 and we can run some clock and get the first down without scoring.

They knew what they were doing..that's why they are the all star crew

smithandrew051 · 11-20-2018, 08:27 AM

I don’t get why anyone would criticize the clock management in this one.

We ended up with 2 minutes, 3 timeouts, and the ball with a chance to win the game or go to OT.

That’s about perfect.

siberian khatru · 11-20-2018, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaid

So, once we were on the 10 it's a different situation and you really only have 3 tries to get that TD. I felt we should have been a bit more methodical when we got to around the 50 so we could ensure some clock got wasted. I actually told my wife when they called that penalty against the Rams that put us on the 10 that the penalty actually hurt us. Stopped the clock and put us to where we had 3 shots to score and that was it. If they don't call it, we can call a couple plays, waste more clock, and put the Rams backs against the wall a bit more. So I view it as situational. Should have wasted more clock earlier in the drive. Once you are on the 10, you kind of need to ensure you get a score.

Bingo.

**petegz28** · 11-20-2018, 08:47 AM

bunk argument based on hindsight and assumption.

A) You are assuming you will score a TD
B) You are assuming a FG to tie at the least

What you don't factor in..

A) One penalty for holding ****s it all up
B) A high powered offense needs only a FG to win if you don't get the TD

The best bet is score the TD and go up by 4. Make the offense drive the field with 0 TO's and expect your defense to play defense and defend 75 yards for one drive.

If our D couldn't stop them in a 40 secs or so from going 75 yards, WTF do you think we would keep them from scoring a FG if we didn't get the TD?

Ribbs67 · 11-20-2018, 08:48 AM

I feel like when you have the chance you shorten the game up when opurtunity presents itself. Our last scoring drive was the perfect opportunity to do so. Only 3 more runs anywhere in that series by Hunt to spin the clock..and we win that game. Or at least force OT. Trust me I'm the first in the nervous Nancy line saying we have to score..but I could see us scoring too quickly a mile away. Screaming mix in a run or 2. I just didn't get the reasoning behind it. We scored on 1-10 if I remember right. Like a poster posted before..if we run it and score then be it..but I feel we rushed it too much considering the Rams didn't have any time outs left.

11Chiefs · 11-20-2018, 08:48 AM

I'd rather score. Don't let Andy try controlling the clock

. Score quick, score often

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bobbything · 11-20-2018, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Why Not?

Nope. We got the ball back twice with opportunities to win or tie. That's exactly the position we realistically could have hoped to be in. The offense spit the bit. Just not quite good enough to win these types of games I guess, considering we've played in two and lost them both by the same margin

The _efense wasn’t good (hell, they gave up a TD in one minute shortly thereafter) but we did get the ball back with 1:44 and three timeouts. Mahomes tossed a pick. It’s not like we didn’t have a chance.

Ribbs67 · 11-20-2018, 08:54 AM

Our Defense needs to learn how to make the stop we need when we need it .. Scandrick needs to make that interception..and Mahomes needs to take care of the ball better...but anything after our last scoring possession to me is on the coaching staff because it never should have gone that far

KChiefs1 · 11-20-2018, 08:58 AM

Michael Lombardi made a great point on the Border Patrol today.

You got to play it like basketball now. The clock has to be seen by how many plays you give the other team. You burn 40 seconds off the clock, that's 5 plays you aren't giving the Rams. Don't run of bounds when there's no need to.

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siberian khatru · 11-20-2018, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Michael Lombardi made a great point on the Border Patrol today.

You got to play it like basketball now. The clock has to be seen by how many plays you give the other team. You burn 40 seconds FG the block that's 5 plays you aren't giving the Rams. Don't run of bounds when there's no need to.

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Man, I typed that under my Bingo response and then deleted it. I thought that was a great way to frame it.

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You score when you score. Don't risk not getting in for the TD.	31	63.27%
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11-19-2018, 11:21 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $-1923101	Score immediately vs. run clock I don't think this is egregious clock management, but... 1st and goal on the 10 yard line. Down by 3 (44-47). 2:50 on the clock. Chiefs have 3 timeouts. Rams have none. Am I crazy to think we should have run Kareem a couple times there? I know the Rams scored in 45 seconds on the next drive, but it sure feels like that would have put a lot of pressure on them to score, and I'm pretty confident we could have gotten in for the TD even if we just ran it 4 times. Discus.
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11-20-2018, 07:47 AM	#32
hometeam Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Casino cash: $1461956	You have to score if you can. Period.
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11-20-2018, 08:13 AM	#34
Shaid Supporter Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $1485783	So, once we were on the 10 it's a different situation and you really only have 3 tries to get that TD. I felt we should have been a bit more methodical when we got to around the 50 so we could ensure some clock got wasted. I actually told my wife when they called that penalty against the Rams that put us on the 10 that the penalty actually hurt us. Stopped the clock and put us to where we had 3 shots to score and that was it. If they don't call it, we can call a couple plays, waste more clock, and put the Rams backs against the wall a bit more. So I view it as situational. Should have wasted more clock earlier in the drive. Once you are on the 10, you kind of need to ensure you get a score. __________________
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11-20-2018, 08:27 AM	#36
smithandrew051 I Like The Kansas City Chiefs Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Shawnee, KS Casino cash: $-715600	I don’t get why anyone would criticize the clock management in this one. We ended up with 2 minutes, 3 timeouts, and the ball with a chance to win the game or go to OT. That’s about perfect.
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11-20-2018, 08:47 AM	#38
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1145873	bunk argument based on hindsight and assumption. A) You are assuming you will score a TD B) You are assuming a FG to tie at the least What you don't factor in.. A) One penalty for holding ****s it all up B) A high powered offense needs only a FG to win if you don't get the TD The best bet is score the TD and go up by 4. Make the offense drive the field with 0 TO's and expect your defense to play defense and defend 75 yards for one drive. If our D couldn't stop them in a 40 secs or so from going 75 yards, WTF do you think we would keep them from scoring a FG if we didn't get the TD?
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11-20-2018, 08:48 AM	#39
Ribbs67 Starter Join Date: Oct 2018 Casino cash: $10000400	I feel like when you have the chance you shorten the game up when opurtunity presents itself. Our last scoring drive was the perfect opportunity to do so. Only 3 more runs anywhere in that series by Hunt to spin the clock..and we win that game. Or at least force OT. Trust me I'm the first in the nervous Nancy line saying we have to score..but I could see us scoring too quickly a mile away. Screaming mix in a run or 2. I just didn't get the reasoning behind it. We scored on 1-10 if I remember right. Like a poster posted before..if we run it and score then be it..but I feel we rushed it too much considering the Rams didn't have any time outs left.
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11-20-2018, 08:48 AM	#40
11Chiefs Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $6927270	I'd rather score. Don't let Andy try controlling the clock . Score quick, score often .
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11-20-2018, 08:54 AM	#42
Ribbs67 Starter Join Date: Oct 2018 Casino cash: $10000400	Our Defense needs to learn how to make the stop we need when we need it .. Scandrick needs to make that interception..and Mahomes needs to take care of the ball better...but anything after our last scoring possession to me is on the coaching staff because it never should have gone that far
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11-20-2018, 08:58 AM	#43
KChiefs1 I’m a Mahomo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mid-Missouri Casino cash: $6771021	Score immediately vs. run clock Michael Lombardi made a great point on the Border Patrol today. You got to play it like basketball now. The clock has to be seen by how many plays you give the other team. You burn 40 seconds off the clock, that's 5 plays you aren't giving the Rams. Don't run of bounds when there's no need to. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________
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