Life Busted ankle and Opioids - Page 6

Holladay · 03-14-2019, 02:26 PM

My big dogs were playing with me while I was on a sheet of ice. Boom goes the dynamite!

Surgery, plates and screws. I have a bottle of Oxycodone 5 mg x 42 pills. 1 pill every 4 hrs.

The day after op, I was popping them like candy. Helped a bit. 3 days after, 1 per 3.5 hrs. 6 days post op I will take 2-3 for the whole day. Wakeup, Bedtime and a misc.

So the question is how does a person become addicted to these suckers?

I still have 5 more weeks in the cast, then 2-4 in a boot.

Tomorrow, I'll see if just ibuprofen 200 mg will do.

Do they use get high? Trips? Or is there pseudo pain that people use to feel better?

TLO · 03-15-2019, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I took 1600mg ibuprofen during work days. Didn’t try weed because of drug testing.

1600mg at a time?

**BigRedChief** · 03-15-2019, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TLO

1600mg at a time?

no, per day. Dr. told me not to exceed that per day. Don't take more than 800mg every 4 hours.1600mg per day.

oldman · 03-15-2019, 08:13 AM

I had a similar injury several years ago. Oxy wasn't widely available until later, so they kept trying to push the Tylenol 3s on me. No thanks, I'll just use ibuprofen. I took 800 mg 3 times a day until the boot came off and then slowly worked down to 400 once a day. I've just seen too many people get dependent on that stuff. I don't think it's weakness on the part of those that get hooked, it's a physical addiction that Purude Pharma is all too glad to supply.

Naptown Chief · 03-15-2019, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TLO

1600mg at a time?

I was wondering the same thing

Was thinking "goodbye liver"

Naptown Chief · 03-15-2019, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman

I had a similar injury several years ago. Oxy wasn't widely available until later, so they kept trying to push the Tylenol 3s on me. No thanks, I'll just use ibuprofen. I took 800 mg 3 times a day until the boot came off and then slowly worked down to 400 once a day. I've just seen too many people get dependent on that stuff. I don't think it's weakness on the part of those that get hooked, it's a physical addiction that Purude Pharma is all too glad to supply.

They actually started me on Tylenol 3, then 4, before being bumped to hydrocodone 5, 7.5, and ultimately the 10s. Even though the opiate dosage is higher in the hydrocodone, I felt substantially more lethargic on the codeine

**BigRedChief** · 03-15-2019, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Holladay

The Doc warned me about that. After 2 days of being clogged up, I started eating 2-3 apples per day. It didn't take too long for Mt. Vesuvius to erupt.

Never had that issue myself.

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Originally Posted by Holladay

In my little experience (after I didn't bounce, I slept over night with 3 broken ankle bones with a little ibuprofen) I can compartmentalize the pain in a box and put it in a corner of my brain. Even with my small issue, it is DRAINING...physically and mentally.

I can't imagine nor want to try to imagine your situation!! I guess pain and the interpretation of pain is different and malleable to each person.

Hats off to you!

It's very draining. The work I do you have to have all your wits about you. I was soooo tired of the pain every day. Unless you have been there, its hard to explain. You cant escape chronic pain. It's always there. If my doctor had cut me off, I would have went to the street.

I had scatica. I've talked to the Dr. about what do poor people or have no access to medicine do about the pain? They have the same anatomy. Their nerve is getting pinched too. He said, a lot do street drugs or drink liters of alcohol. If I went to jail and couldn't have got the Oxy, I probably wouldn't have went to jail.

Saw the recent news that people were saying Oxy wasn't effective for chronic pain. No, its not a cure. But, it allows you to survive and live life the best you can until whatever issue caused the chronic pain is mitigated. I emerged on the other side, I'm sure there are others with similar experiences.

BWillie · 03-15-2019, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

What a stupid ass statement, "They do?". Nah man everyone that takes them feels like shit after they do. That's why opiates are probably the most addictive group of drugs there is. Ya know, cuz people like to feel like shit.

How many times have you taken hydro or oxy? Was it on an empty stomach?

Why is it stupid? My argument is they are abused because so many people have undiagnosed chronic pain - not because of any euphoric feeling you get. I get why you would take Cocaine. Why you would take Meth. I don't understand why you would take hydrocodone unless you were hurting.

stumppy · 03-15-2019, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Why is it stupid? My argument is they are abused because so many people have undiagnosed chronic pain - not because of any euphoric feeling you get. I get why you would take Cocaine. Why you would take Meth. I don't understand why you would take hydrocodone unless you were hurting.

Because like most drugs, different people are affected in different ways by the same drug.

If you knew anything at all about what you're talking about you would know that it is that euphoric feeling that people are looking for in opiates when they are addicted to them.

htismaqe · 03-15-2019, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Why is it stupid? My argument is they are abused because so many people have undiagnosed chronic pain - not because of any euphoric feeling you get. I get why you would take Cocaine. Why you would take Meth. I don't understand why you would take hydrocodone unless you were hurting.

Opioids (and opiates) absolutely do produce a feeling of euphoria. People tend to associate euphoria with excitement but in more general terms, euphorics produce an overwhelming feeling of satiation or happiness, unrelated to whether they are stimulants or depressants.

In fact, many people only experience euphoria with the high of a stimulant or the low of an opiate but not both. As a former drug addict that now works with drug addicts, I can tell you that most people either like uppers or downers but not both. People that like both are pretty rare.

htismaqe · 03-15-2019, 12:23 PM

By the way, I know a lot of people that struggle with either opioids, heroin, or both. They are quite prevalent around here. And I've never indulged once. If I get a script, they almost always go unused. As soon as the pain is gone, I don't want them anymore.

But Adderall? Give me a month supply and it will be gone in a week. Everybody is different.

dlphg9 · 03-15-2019, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Why is it stupid? My argument is they are abused because so many people have undiagnosed chronic pain - not because of any euphoric feeling you get. I get why you would take Cocaine. Why you would take Meth. I don't understand why you would take hydrocodone unless you were hurting.

How many times have you done opiates?

You have to be trolling with that shit. You think the reason opiates are so popular because a bunch of people have undiagnosed pain? That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. How would you ever come to that conclusion?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-15-2019, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

no, per day. Dr. told me not to exceed that per day. Don't take more than 800mg every 4 hours.1600mg per day.

If you don't have any drug interactions (like say, taking an ACE inhibitor or ARB for blood pressure, or are on a blood thinner) and have good renal function, the actual max is 2400mg

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-15-2019, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dwwataz

They actually started me on Tylenol 3, then 4, before being bumped to hydrocodone 5, 7.5, and ultimately the 10s. Even though the opiate dosage is higher in the hydrocodone, I felt substantially more lethargic on the codeine

There's a chance you could be an ultra-rapid metabolizer of CYP 2D6. Codeine is a prodrug that is in converted to morphine. A small subset of the population has more of those specific enzymes than others. If so, a "normal" dose of codeine can actually be much higher for the person in question.

This is why codeine is not given to children anymore.

Rawlsian · 03-15-2019, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

no, per day. Dr. told me not to exceed that per day. Don't take more than 800mg every 4 hours.1600mg per day.

Math seems off here

BWillie · 03-15-2019, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by stumppy

Because like most drugs, different people are affected in different ways by the same drug.

If you knew anything at all about what you're talking about you would know that it is that euphoric feeling that people are looking for in opiates when they are addicted to them.

I've taken some opioids many times after surgeries. I don't get any euphoric feeling. I get tired, woozy and receive less pain. That is all.

03-14-2019, 02:26 PM
Holladay Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $89480	Busted ankle and Opioids My big dogs were playing with me while I was on a sheet of ice. Boom goes the dynamite! Surgery, plates and screws. I have a bottle of Oxycodone 5 mg x 42 pills. 1 pill every 4 hrs. The day after op, I was popping them like candy. Helped a bit. 3 days after, 1 per 3.5 hrs. 6 days post op I will take 2-3 for the whole day. Wakeup, Bedtime and a misc. So the question is how does a person become addicted to these suckers? I still have 5 more weeks in the cast, then 2-4 in a boot. Tomorrow, I'll see if just ibuprofen 200 mg will do. Do they use get high? Trips? Or is there pseudo pain that people use to feel better?
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03-15-2019, 08:13 AM	#78
oldman Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North by Northwest Casino cash: $5836784	I had a similar injury several years ago. Oxy wasn't widely available until later, so they kept trying to push the Tylenol 3s on me. No thanks, I'll just use ibuprofen. I took 800 mg 3 times a day until the boot came off and then slowly worked down to 400 once a day. I've just seen too many people get dependent on that stuff. I don't think it's weakness on the part of those that get hooked, it's a physical addiction that Purude Pharma is all too glad to supply.
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03-15-2019, 12:23 PM	#85
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8169900	By the way, I know a lot of people that struggle with either opioids, heroin, or both. They are quite prevalent around here. And I've never indulged once. If I get a script, they almost always go unused. As soon as the pain is gone, I don't want them anymore. But Adderall? Give me a month supply and it will be gone in a week. Everybody is different.
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