Has there ever been a more insecure QB than Baker Mayfield?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There's also a middle ground where the guy is limited but a lot better than what his critics say. Sometimes the critical approach is to assume a guy's 100% flawed. I don't think he's a great qb by any stretch but I don't see why at least early in his career he couldn't be an effective game manager.

Few people think he can't play in the league. Most simply think this "Mahomes vs. Mayfield: A decades long rivalry in the making!" nonsense is laughable. For Chiefs fans in particular, we're still a little chaffed by the Browns game last year when talking heads wanted to pretend like Mayfield was going to dust Mahomes or in the offseason when there were actual arguments that Mayfield might be a better player.

I mean he's REALLY Cutlerish. And Cutler was a dangerous QB for both his opponents and his team. He'd win some games for the Broncos/Bears that they should've lost. And he'd lose them some games they should've won. And he was a D-bag. And everyone always wanted to blame the OL or the Coaches when he was the QB.

In reality, guy just wasn't as good as people hoped he would be.

Originally Posted by -King-

I think good coaching can help a lot of that. He doesn't have good coaching at all. Kitchens is probably a bottom 3 head coach right now.

Hard to say - I just have such a hard time convincing myself that anybody with a strong tendency at this level will ever truly clear themselves of it. Josh Allen, for instance, will never be accurate though he could be less inaccurate. I don't think Mayfield will ever have good pocket presence or ball security. Now he may be less bad at those things, but we're still talking about...well like I said, Jay Cutler.

And he'll have to humble himself in a big way to deal with the ball security thing. Too many of his interceptions come from "I'm Baker ****ing Mayfield; Imma fit that ball in there..."

Until he realizes that being Baker Mayfield doesn't mean the same thing as being Patrick Mahomes, he's gonna have interception problems. Deshaun Watson made some progress there last season and seems to have his interceptions into an acceptably normal range after being a turnover machine in college. Maybe Mayfield can get there, but not if he can't turn the Baker Mayfield dial down to maybe a 7. And he's not doing that if he doesn't get his ego in check.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Few people think he can't play in the league. Most simply think this "Mahomes vs. Mayfield: A decades long rivalry in the making!" nonsense is laughable. For Chiefs fans in particular, we're still a little chaffed by the Browns game last year when talking heads wanted to pretend like Mayfield was going to dust Mahomes or in the offseason when there were actual arguments that Mayfield might be a better player.

I mean he's REALLY Cutlerish. And Cutler was a dangerous QB for both his opponents and his team. He'd win some games for the Broncos/Bears that they should've lost. And he'd lose them some games they should've won. And he was a D-bag. And everyone always wanted to blame the OL or the Coaches when he was the QB.

In reality, guy just wasn't as good as people hoped he would be.




Hard to say - I just have such a hard time convincing myself that anybody with a strong tendency at this level will ever truly clear themselves of it. Josh Allen, for instance, will never be accurate though he could be less inaccurate. I don't think Mayfield will ever have good pocket presence or ball security. Now he may be less bad at those things, but we're still talking about...well like I said, Jay Cutler.

And he'll have to humble himself in a big way to deal with the ball security thing. Too many of his interceptions come from "I'm Baker ****ing Mayfield; Imma fit that ball in there..."

Until he realizes that being Baker Mayfield doesn't mean the same thing as being Patrick Mahomes, he's gonna have interception problems. Deshaun Watson made some progress there last season and seems to have his interceptions into an acceptably normal range after being a turnover machine in college. Maybe Mayfield can get there, but not if he can't turn the Baker Mayfield dial down to maybe a 7. And he's not doing that if he doesn't get his ego in check.

Well, I said the instant kitchens was hired that he was the worst possible choice for baker. He needs a handler. Not a disciplinarian, not an enabler. Someone who lets baker be baker, but also reigns him in. I don't know why kitchens wasn't fired on the spot when he wore that ridiculous Pittsburgh started it shirt. How can you expect your qb to be mature when your coach is just as immature.

A coach last year said that Ken zampese, not kitchens, was responsible for Mayfields success and I buy that. Kitchens has elite running backs and he is even worse than Reid at ignoring the run. Kitchens thinks he has mahomes. Mayfield needs a coach who treats him like Josh allen or garopolo. Establish the run first. Baker in a run first offense can become dangerous because you can roll him out all over the place and he is actually outstanding throwing on the run. I don't know if baker can ever grow as a pocket qb but my God kitchens has to build around his strengths, not his weaknesses.