***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Pants]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The VP in an interview this morning said the USA is most comparable to Italy.

Pence to CNN: "We think Italy may be the most comparable area to the United States at this point."

— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) April 1, 2020

That's dumb.

People live with their parents in Italy till the day the parents die. There was no way for the elderly to isolate.

[Donger]

Just crossed the 200,000 case line. Already 11,700 new cases today.

Strap in, people. Start wearing masks, even make-shift.

[saphojunkie]

Yeah my friend has "mild symptoms" and we have been monitoring her daily. A simple push towards more serious and she's in the ICU. That's a hard distinction to draw. I think "mild" is misleading.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

They could shut down all domestic and international flights in a second.

Still not that simple. We're still moving people around to try and combat hot spots, so how do you otherwise get a nurse from North Dakota to NYC? And what about people who have to travel for other treatments. I've got a friend whose mom is going to MD Anderson in Houston for treatment for a brain tumor (GBM). She doesn't do well in the car, so driving from KC to Houston isn't really an option.

I agree that travel should be severely limited, but I just don't think that completely shutting down airports is the answer.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

True 100k - 240 k is still small % wise for a country w over 300 mil. It'll be rough but we will get through this.

If we lose 350K people, one out of every 1,000 people will die. And that will yield raw numbers beyond our comprehension but it will also won't be the whole "every last one of us will have loved ones die!" thing that far too many are preaching.

I don't know 1,000 people. And I probably only truly care about maybe 75.

This still comes down in large part to some level of fatalism for me. Suddenly everyone's saying "My god - 100K people are going to die; how can this be happening?"

Gimme 100K and I'd take it. Again, this is a novel virus that attacks our lungs and creates havoc on the systems of the elderly and compromised. The idea that we were going to spin clear of this w/ 15K dead was always just folly.

This disease is a mother****er. And it was always going to kill people - a lot of them. And it's not about liking that fact or endorsing it. It's about simply understanding it.

I feel like some of the biggest mistakes business, teachers, politicians, salesmen...just about anyone, ever makes come down to poor expectation management. And somehow we came out of the chute saying "flatten the curve and 1,000 people will die..."

Dafuq ever made that a reasonable projection for something like this? When this story is written, it'll involve tens of thousands dead and likely hundreds of thousands. And if there's a country w/ similar demographics/population who claims they'll have knocked it back at a few hundred...well their story just hasn't reached its conclusion yet. Or they're just flat lying.

As I said from the beginning, I still don't think the answer is hunkering down and hoping they run out of bullets. Sooner or later that will just make things worse. I look at Boone County now with NO meaningful spread and a mere 2 people who have been in the ICU from the jump. We've been locked in for a little over a week with all expectations being that this goes through Mid May. And then they'll slowly release people out into the wild.

And THEN the spread will start. And the odds of being able to put the clamps back on that population are damn near zero. Because 'flatten the curve' somehow evolved into "don't allow a curve at all", all we're going to create is spike further down the line.

And it will all be because people simply never had a reasonable expectation of what these outcomes were going to be. So we're making decisions that are in some ways likely to make the outcomes worse...just a little further down the road.

[Chief Roundup]

I sure wish they would contain all the people that live in the cities in the cities and not allow them to come out to the rural areas.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I sure wish they would contain all the people that live in the cities in the cities and not allow them to come out to the rural areas.

[Looks at your "Location"]

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

WOW so now our task force is saying 240,000 deaths in the coming weeks.
WTF happened?

It's 100k - 240k total, not 240k in the next few days. People really need to quit watching fear porn. First they compared it 1918 where 20-50M died. Currently we are under 50k in the entire world. Little difference there. Then we got the predictions that went from 3M deaths in the US and has incrementally worked it's way down. I know people who have had Corona but none of them died or had any complications. On the other hand I know a ton of people who are having their life destroyed. Lost job and income. Losing their businesses.Look around you instead of at all the fear porn on TV. Lets put this in perspective.

Deaths in the US annually

Car accidents almost 40k
Heart disease 650k
Cancer 600k
Unintentional injuries 170k
Chronic lower respiratory disease 160k
Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases 147k
Alzheimers 125k
Diabetes 84k
The flu 61k
Kidney disease 52k
Suicide 50k

The Wuhan virus is killing 10's of millions of Americans but not in the way exploited by the media with their fear porn. Millions are losing their job, their homes, businesses and life savings. We do this long enough we could have a great depression, awesome. The chance that covid 19 is what's going to take you out is slightly above zero. The death rate no matter what it is projecting at this moment is a grain of sand on the beach of what could happen to the quality of life for all of us if people keep buying into this BS.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pants

Maybe. The cultures differ WAAAAY more from country to country in Europe and the way they tackle this thing will be much more diverse, IMO. Also, Europe is just way denser than the US.

I mean I'm not a world traveler, but do they?

I mean our most cosmoplitan regions would hang with France, would they not? Our most laissez faire w/ Spain. Our most hard-charging with Germany.

I think one of the greatest disservices we ever do to our populace is to underestimate just how crazy different our cultures are throughout this country.

And thus far, the way the EU has addressed it hasn't different too terribly much from country to country. At least not any more than our responses has differed from state to state.

I could be wrong - I just think we oftentimes overlook the level of autonomy and diversity that exists geographically throughout the United States.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

It's 100k - 240k total, not 240k in the next few days. People really need to quit watching fear porn. First they compared it 1918 where 20-50M died. Currently we are under 50k in the entire world. Little difference there. Then we got the predictions that went from 3M deaths in the US and has incrementally worked it's way down. I know people who have had Corona but none of them died or had any complications. On the other hand I know a ton of people who are having their life destroyed. Lost job and income. Losing their businesses.Look around you instead of at all the fear porn on TV. Lets put this in perspective.

Deaths in the US annually

Car accidents almost 40k
Heart disease 650k
Cancer 600k
Unintentional injuries 170k
Chronic lower respiratory disease 160k
Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases 147k
Alzheimers 125k
Diabetes 84k
The flu 61k
Kidney disease 52k
Suicide 50k

The Wuhan virus is killing 10's of millions of Americans but not in the way exploited by the media with their fear porn. Millions are losing their job, their homes, businesses and life savings. We do this long enough we could have a great depression, awesome. The chance that covid 19 is what's going to take you out is slightly above zero. The death rate no matter what it is projecting at this moment is a grain of sand on the beach of what could happen to the quality of life for all of us if people keep buying into this BS.

These posts are so ****ing stupid. You are so ****ing stupid.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Donger

Just crossed the 200,000 case line. Already 11,700 new cases today.

Strap in, people. Start wearing masks, even make-shift.

Oh the humanity.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

It's 100k - 240k total, not 240k in the next few days. People really need to quit watching fear porn. First they compared it 1918 where 20-50M died. Currently we are under 50k in the entire world. Little difference there. Then we got the predictions that went from 3M deaths in the US and has incrementally worked it's way down. I know people who have had Corona but none of them died or had any complications. On the other hand I know a ton of people who are having their life destroyed. Lost job and income. Losing their businesses.Look around you instead of at all the fear porn on TV. Lets put this in perspective.

Deaths in the US annually

Car accidents almost 40k
Heart disease 650k
Cancer 600k
Unintentional injuries 170k
Chronic lower respiratory disease 160k
Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases 147k
Alzheimers 125k
Diabetes 84k
The flu 61k
Kidney disease 52k
Suicide 50k

The Wuhan virus is killing 10's of millions of Americans but not in the way exploited by the media with their fear porn. Millions are losing their job, their homes, businesses and life savings. We do this long enough we could have a great depression, awesome. The chance that covid 19 is what's going to take you out is slightly above zero. The death rate no matter what it is projecting at this moment is a grain of sand on the beach of what could happen to the quality of life for all of us if people keep buying into this BS.

He didn't say days. He said weeks. Not a good start to your post.

I take it you still don't think that the mitigation efforts we've take should have been implemented?

[O.city]

This is where honesty from the jump from everyone would have made things better.

"We're trying to control this so everyone isn't sick at one time. Either everyone gets it, is immune or we get a vaccine. Thats the two ways out of this. Maybe we can develop some therapeutics to ease this down. Thats what we're trying to buy time for. We realize we can't do this forever".

[RunKC]

Heard on Sirius radio that a lot of NFL guys are starting to struggle with their routine. Besides toilet paper, gym equipment has been the other major buy online and at stores (before they shut down).

With gyms forced to close, these guys are having to do home workouts on their own which could cause problems if/when the season starts.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I don't know 1,000 people. And I probably only truly care about maybe 75.

75? God damn. If I counted up my family, mainly just brother and sisters and my mother - not really close to any cousins, and close friends it probably doesnt even add up to 30.