***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pushead2

I'm here in NYC and I'm doing my part by self-isolating as I don't want to be infected, trying to be there for my buddy who's battling this virus for over ten days and hoping that people are finally getting it.......then this happens.

What the ****? Literally, what the ****?

https://abc7ny.com/5230682/

SEE IT: Dozens of mourners in masks crowded a Brooklyn street for a funeral.

They flouted NYC's orders to maintain social distancing as the coronavirus pandemic worsens.https://t.co/AfyaZbHW87

— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) April 2, 2020

Un-****ing-stupidly-believable!

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I straight up don't believe 50% of America can't make rent/mortgage if they lose their job in a given month.

Don't believe it.

Do you know how much my rent is a month sir?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

So they can survive on the money they would have had saved while looking for a job.

Problem solved.

If you didn't have any money saved to live on while looking for another job, again, your own damn fault.

You're being a twat....stop

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Clearly people with no employment and confined to their house need to bootstrap themselves into paying rent or go back in time and set aside a pandemic nestegg

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

You don't save a little money every month, you might be up shit creek when the toilet flushes.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

That's only for direct deposit. Checks mailed out are looking at 20 weeks.


Also this quote from someone working in unemployment:




Good luck, America

Banks and private employers are going to have to step up in a BIG way.

We haven't made any additional layoffs over the last 2 weeks after our first little kick. We made it through payroll yesterday needing to burn off about $30K in LOC space, leaving roughly $220K. We also covered our health insurance premiums for the next month.

Our major loan/rent payments have been reduced to interest only.

Keep limping like this and we have 7-8 payroll periods? That's 14-16 weeks. It's not nothing. Now we still fully expect additional contraction in revenue but even if it's chopped in half (and for the love of god, government, stay out of our way on this one - they're the last folks that can really shut us down), that gives us 8-10 if we have a little bit of a coasting period.

If we can continue to keep our people paid, we'll have done some serious yeoman's work to get them through this while waiting for any stimulus to arrive.

And a lot of businesses are in the same boat as us. Private industry is straining to make this work as well as we can. And ultimately it'll come down to us to keep things churning because I don't imagine the federal response will be quick enough to do it on its own.

And the way the banks can extend that runway substantially is by quickly and smoothly navigating the PPP program so we can be even more confident in our ability to retain staff and not exit this cash-poor and unable to re-start if things turn around.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

So they can survive on the money they would have had saved while looking for a job.

Problem solved.

If you didn't have any money saved to live on while looking for another job, again, your own damn fault.

Your and idiot.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

That is their own damn fault, sorry.

What were these people going to do if they lost their job because of some other reason?

You live your life without a net you might break something when you fall.

I take it you're pretty furious that the government bailed out all these big companies that didn't follow your code here?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pushead2

I'm here in NYC and I'm doing my part by self-isolating as I don't want to be infected, trying to be there for my buddy who's battling this virus for over ten days and hoping that people are finally getting it.......then this happens.

What the ****? Literally, what the ****?

https://abc7ny.com/5230682/

SEE IT: Dozens of mourners in masks crowded a Brooklyn street for a funeral.

They flouted NYC's orders to maintain social distancing as the coronavirus pandemic worsens.https://t.co/AfyaZbHW87

— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) April 2, 2020

So your belief is that people are not going to leave their homes to pay respects to the dead.

And that THEY'RE the ones being unreasonable?

Okay.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

No disrespect but why the hell would you mail your tax return in in this day and age?

My dad does my taxes lol

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

You're being a twat....stop

He's always been a twat, will always be one.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Banks and private employers are going to have to step up in a BIG way.

We haven't made any additional layoffs over the last 2 weeks after our first little kick. We made it through payroll yesterday needing to burn off about $30K in LOC space, leaving roughly $220K. We also covered our health insurance premiums for the next month.

Our major loan/rent payments have been reduced to interest only.

Keep limping like this and we have 7-8 payroll periods? That's 14-16 weeks. It's not nothing. Now we still fully expect additional contraction in revenue but even if it's chopped in half (and for the love of god, government, stay out of our way on this one - they're the last folks that can really shut us down), that gives us 8-10 if we have a little bit of a coasting period.

If we can continue to keep our people paid, we'll have done some serious yeoman's work to get them through this while waiting for any stimulus to arrive.

And a lot of businesses are in the same boat as us. Private industry is straining to make this work as well as we can. And ultimately it'll come down to us to keep things churning because I don't imagine the federal response will be quick enough to do it on its own.

And the way the banks can extend that runway substantially is by quickly and smoothly navigating the PPP program so we can be even more confident in our ability to retain staff and not exit this cash-poor and unable to re-start if things turn around.

I wouldnt hold your breath on this ppp thing. It's shaping up like a real cluster ****.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

National Academy of Sciences is a serious organization. No way they put that out there without a scientific method, peer reviewed study data to back it up.

Welp.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

So they can survive on the money they would have had saved while looking for a job.

Problem solved.

If you didn't have any money saved to live on while looking for another job, again, your own damn fault.

Dumbass

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Un-****ing-stupidly-believable!

I'm sorry - I get putting people on blast for going to the park because it's nice outside and they want to see their friends.

But if someone I care about dies and a funeral is held, I'll consider that as important as going to the grocery store and no greater risk. Especially when its outside.

At some point you have to allow people their humanity. For many that is a fundamental element of the grieving process and to call them 'stupid' for it is robotic.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

I said this weeks ago but I'm a socialist so



Just a reminder that people laid off in Canada are getting CAD$2000 (~USD$1400). Per month.

The UK is covering 80% of laid-off worker wages for at least 3 months.

And all we can do is $1200 per person. Once. In 20 weeks from now.

Something like that needs to be done here those countries have a lower unemployment rate