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Old 04-15-2020, 06:16 PM  
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Call Your Shot: Who’s the Chiefs first selection in the 2020 Draft
I’m going with Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU
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Old 04-16-2020, 12:31 PM   #256
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Fenton remains just the damndest thing.

Like...he SUCKED in camp. Never heard anything positive. And was awful in pre-season.

What the hell kind of Grays Sports Almanac shit does Veach have tucked away somewhere that told him "this guy was unheralded and terrible every time he was on the field during the pre-season...but you should totally hold onto him anyway because he's going to make important plays late in the year..."?

That's one of those things that makes me wonder if some front office folks don't have a better feel for actual coachability than others. So much of the rest of it is available on tape or can be crunched in numbers. The paradox of skill has taken over in the NFL draft so a lot of this stuff comes down to luck anymore.

But in the margins, some guys may simply have a better handle on how well certain prospects adapt to coaching. Or maybe it's the coaching staff that saw it.

But the Fenton thing will always be something that just makes no damn sense to me. Because you could put Charvarius Ward opposite Tremon Smith in the Seahawks game, see Ward get beat up and still walk away going "okay, there's something there with Ward but Smith sucks..." It's not like you have to see great play to recognize potential and sometimes degrees of suck are demonstrative in their own right.

But...when the hell did Fenton demonstrate that potential?

That's why they get paid the big bucks, I s'pose...

The Fenton thing baffled me as well.

Then I saw he was from Carol City....

Trust me when I say those guys are just a different breed.
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I fully think that Kenneth Murray is a Dallas Cowboy.
That's my stumbling block for Delpit.

But with the loss of Jones, they may just click on 'auto-pick' for the best CB on the board and walk away.
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Old 04-16-2020, 12:32 PM   #258
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Fenton remains just the damndest thing.

Like...he SUCKED in camp. Never heard anything positive. And was awful in pre-season.

What the hell kind of Grays Sports Almanac shit does Veach have tucked away somewhere that told him "this guy was unheralded and terrible every time he was on the field during the pre-season...but you should totally hold onto him anyway because he's going to make important plays late in the year..."?

That's one of those things that makes me wonder if some front office folks don't have a better feel for actual coachability than others. So much of the rest of it is available on tape or can be crunched in numbers. The paradox of skill has taken over in the NFL draft so a lot of this stuff comes down to luck anymore.

But in the margins, some guys may simply have a better handle on how well certain prospects adapt to coaching. Or maybe it's the coaching staff that saw it.

But the Fenton thing will always be something that just makes no damn sense to me. Because you could put Charvarius Ward opposite Tremon Smith in the Seahawks game, see Ward get beat up and still walk away going "okay, there's something there with Ward but Smith sucks..." It's not like you have to see great play to recognize potential and sometimes degrees of suck are demonstrative in their own right.

But...when the hell did Fenton demonstrate that potential?

That's why they get paid the big bucks, I s'pose...
Veach is former player which helps and he loves scouting players. When Fenton stepped in at the Broncos game and made some really key drops I was like woah wait a minute we may have something here. He was also about a foot away from becoming the scapegoat if Jimmy G hits Sanders in stride
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Old 04-16-2020, 12:33 PM   #259
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Murray, Smith and Vander Esch? Christ. That’s overkill.
And Sean Lee, who FINALLY played a healthy season. He's not the guy he was and LBs can sometimes just fall off a cliff, but they didn't pay him $4.5 million not to play him.
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I fully think that Kenneth Murray is a Dallas Cowboy.
No way. Not with Jaylon Smith and Vander Esch. I know there are injury concerns with those guys, but they aren’t investing the 17th pick on another LB.
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No way. Not with Jaylon Smith and Vander Esch. I know there are injury concerns with those guys, but they aren’t investing the 17th pick on another LB.
A lot of mock drafts have the raiders taking either Murray or Queen at number 19
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No way. Not with Jaylon Smith and Vander Esch. I know there are injury concerns with those guys, but they aren’t investing the 17th pick on another LB.
I could easily see it,unless you think they are going to go safety or trade out, not much else makes sense for them.
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A lot of mock drafts have the raiders taking either Murray or Queen at number 19
They just spent money signing 2 LB's....they need DL, specifically interior DL or WR.
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Veach is former player which helps and he loves scouting players. When Fenton stepped in at the Broncos game and made some really key drops I was like woah wait a minute we may have something here. He was also about a foot away from becoming the scapegoat if Jimmy G hits Sanders in stride
Oh I'm still not convinced he's good - don't get me wrong.

But he's played about 12 more NFL games than I ever expected he would/should.

(As for the Sanders play - Ward was who should've worn the goat horns there, but yeah - Fenton was pretty late to get back as well; Ward cannot let Sanders get that kind of break past him in that situation; really half-assed his chuck for some reason).
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I could easily see it,unless you think they are going to go safety or trade out, not much else makes sense for them.
Corner is an option after losing Jones. They supposedly want a WR to protect their investment in Dak.

That or they can also take Chaisson if he makes it to 17.

All make more sense than a LB IMO.
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Oh I'm still not convinced he's good - don't get me wrong.

But he's played about 12 more NFL games than I ever expected he would/should.

(As for the Sanders play - Ward was who should've worn the goat horns there, but yeah - Fenton was pretty late to rotate as well; Ward cannot let Sanders get that kind of break past him in that situation).
Ward did not have a great postseason.
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Corner is an option after losing Jones. They supposedly want a WR to protect their investment in Dak.

That or they can also take Chaisson if he makes it to 17.

All make more sense than a LB IMO.
Chaisson is a popular mock pick to them...
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If Veach is the guy I think he is and he slides because of the Underwear Olympics then this is the pick in my mind. He was too good on the football field in a power conference and he constantly went against doubles and chips.
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Chaisson is a popular mock pick to them...
He would form a nice duo with Lawrence.
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