***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[2112]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Over/Under on how many people get booted out of this thread today? I'll go with 2.

Bring back the Matt Dillon (James Arness) avatar

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Over/Under on how many people get booted out of this thread today? I'll go with 2.

Not enough

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

The judgement can be as bad as the sin

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Does the car you hit then go hit another car and then another one and then another one, and so on while also putting the EMT, doctors, nurses at risk as well.

No, but it is saving lives...

New study finds coronavirus lockdowns dramatically cut traffic accidents and fatalities

https://thehill.com/changing-america...c-accidents-in

We could save many lives by not allowing people to drive, or just confining them to their homes, only to leave for essential items. However, it is not sustainable, therefore the legit discussion on who should follow strict guidelines until a working therapeutic or vaccination is introduced.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by Three7s

So, the last two days have been interesting for me after all that I've learned about this virus. On Wednesday morning, I woke up and had a pounding headache. I figured it was just congestion and that it was nothing that a hot shower couldn't fix.

I was half-right in that the shower did alleviate the headache, but it wasn't long before I became very congested again. Still, it isn't the first time I've dealt with this, so I didn't think much of it. Well, after going to bed that night, I woke up after about three hours with a horrific sore throat and congestion deep in my throat, most likely from post nasal drip., along with some pretty bad chills.

After waking up from that, I couldn't really sleep for awhile, but did eventually fall back asleep for a few hours. When I woke up, I, actually, felt really good until about noon. Then the chills and sweaty palms starting taking over. And I'm not talking normal chills. I'm talking chills bad enough to make me think I'm walking around naked in the arctic despite the temperature being 72 degrees with pants and a hoodie on. That, along with the constantly sweaty palms and burning eyes were absolutely brutal.

The chills and burning eyes were a pretty consistent theme yesterday, but nothing much other than that. No fever, no fatigue, no muscle aches, no cough or anything like that. I went to bed and woke up this morning and I feel 10x better, which is hard to believe myself. Zero chills, very minor sore throat and congestion. I still have the burning eyes, which is most likely pink eye, which was probably me being an idiot and rubbing my eyes with whatever virus that was on my hands, which started that two day mess.

After all that, I have no idea if I had COVID19 or not, but I guess I'll find out soon since one part of this virus is that it likes to make people think it's gone only to come back way worse than before after a couple of days, which is what I'm waiting for at this point. Either way, I figured you guys might be interested in this since there aren't a ton of details on the life-cycle on how this virus might start and end, assuming I even have it.

Damn dude, hopefully whatever it was is gone and it's run its course.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

I am saying that people shouldn't have to deal with the consequences of bad lifestyle choices that other people make.

90% of the people getting hospitalized with COVID-19 complications have underlying health conditions and the vast majority of those health conditions are from bad lifestyle choices (hypertension, diabetes... 95% of diabetics have the Type II/lifestyle-caused version, and obesity).

We are all social distancing and shutting down the economy to protect hospital capacity for those selfish people.

We all know why you aren't obese now...

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Why are they laying off medical staff all over the country right now?

Because they have stopped most out patient exams and procedures so not to put hospital workers/other patients at risk while also be able to dedicate more time at dealing with COVID patients.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Because they have stopped most out patient exams and procedures so not to put hospital workers/other patients at risk while also be able to dedicate more time at dealing with COVID patients.

So we're getting rid of healthcare workers so we can provide better healthcare?

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Three7s

So, the last two days have been interesting for me after all that I've learned about this virus. On Wednesday morning, I woke up and had a pounding headache. I figured it was just congestion and that it was nothing that a hot shower couldn't fix.

I was half-right in that the shower did alleviate the headache, but it wasn't long before I became very congested again. Still, it isn't the first time I've dealt with this, so I didn't think much of it. Well, after going to bed that night, I woke up after about three hours with a horrific sore throat and congestion deep in my throat, most likely from post nasal drip., along with some pretty bad chills.

After waking up from that, I couldn't really sleep for awhile, but did eventually fall back asleep for a few hours. When I woke up, I, actually, felt really good until about noon. Then the chills and sweaty palms starting taking over. And I'm not talking normal chills. I'm talking chills bad enough to make me think I'm walking around naked in the arctic despite the temperature being 72 degrees with pants and a hoodie on. That, along with the constantly sweaty palms and burning eyes were absolutely brutal.

The chills and burning eyes were a pretty consistent theme yesterday, but nothing much other than that. No fever, no fatigue, no muscle aches, no cough or anything like that. I went to bed and woke up this morning and I feel 10x better, which is hard to believe myself. Zero chills, very minor sore throat and congestion. I still have the burning eyes, which is most likely pink eye, which was probably me being an idiot and rubbing my eyes with whatever virus that was on my hands, which started that two day mess.

After all that, I have no idea if I had COVID19 or not, but I guess I'll find out soon since one part of this virus is that it likes to make people think it's gone only to come back way worse than before after a couple of days, which is what I'm waiting for at this point. Either way, I figured you guys might be interested in this since there aren't a ton of details on the life-cycle on how this virus might start and end, assuming I even have it.

Sounds like a sinuses I had a few weeks ago, took Sudafed and it took care of itself, be careful and if you can't smell or taste, get help...

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by wazu

So we're getting rid of healthcare workers so we can provide better healthcare?

Cmon now not all healthcare workers specialize in this type of thing, like I don't think the guy who did my knee scope is doing virus pandemic medicine.

[Merde Furieux]

Originally Posted by kgrund

I made no statement about the number of dead in terms of what is "acceptable".

I never asked you too.

Originally Posted by kgrund

What I responded to was what could account for the massive difference between the two. What I said is that population density has to be the #1 factor between the two given the significant disparity between the two regions.

Los Angeles County total population: 9,818,605/4,751 sq mi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_An...ty,_California

NYC total population: 8,175,133/468.484 sq mi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City

If we account for density, NYC is a very unique place, and it should be treated differently, than say, Florida or Nebraska.

The Hospitals in NYC have been bee hives. Nurses, cops, patients in and out every day, subways open.... it's a perfect petri dish for spreading a contagion. Thats for every virus, every bacteria, every germ, every year. This year isn't any different.

I'm not seeing the correlation between keeping healthy people locked up in their homes indefinitely. I'm not seeing it because it can't be quantified. And yet policy continues to be made adversely affecting the general population based on assumptions. This is wrong.

If we had done the same exact thing in February of 2013, 43,000 people still probably would have died from the Flu. My assumption is no less valid than anyone else's, even Doctor Fauci.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by wazu

So we're getting rid of healthcare workers so we can provide better healthcare?

It's a triage system. Not all procedures or visits are STAT.

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by Three7s

So, the last two days have been interesting for me after all that I've learned about this virus. On Wednesday morning, I woke up and had a pounding headache. I figured it was just congestion and that it was nothing that a hot shower couldn't fix.

I was half-right in that the shower did alleviate the headache, but it wasn't long before I became very congested again. Still, it isn't the first time I've dealt with this, so I didn't think much of it. Well, after going to bed that night, I woke up after about three hours with a horrific sore throat and congestion deep in my throat, most likely from post nasal drip., along with some pretty bad chills.

After waking up from that, I couldn't really sleep for awhile, but did eventually fall back asleep for a few hours. When I woke up, I, actually, felt really good until about noon. Then the chills and sweaty palms starting taking over. And I'm not talking normal chills. I'm talking chills bad enough to make me think I'm walking around naked in the arctic despite the temperature being 72 degrees with pants and a hoodie on. That, along with the constantly sweaty palms and burning eyes were absolutely brutal.

The chills and burning eyes were a pretty consistent theme yesterday, but nothing much other than that. No fever, no fatigue, no muscle aches, no cough or anything like that. I went to bed and woke up this morning and I feel 10x better, which is hard to believe myself. Zero chills, very minor sore throat and congestion. I still have the burning eyes, which is most likely pink eye, which was probably me being an idiot and rubbing my eyes with whatever virus that was on my hands, which started that two day mess.

After all that, I have no idea if I had COVID19 or not, but I guess I'll find out soon since one part of this virus is that it likes to make people think it's gone only to come back way worse than before after a couple of days, which is what I'm waiting for at this point. Either way, I figured you guys might be interested in this since there aren't a ton of details on the life-cycle on how this virus might start and end, assuming I even have it.

Can ask what state or City you live in?

And Gods speed brother.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Merde Furieux

If we had done the same exact thing in February of 2013, 43,000 people still probably would have died from the Flu. My assumption is no less valid than anyone else's, even Doctor Fauci.

The single best distillation of Dunning Kruger Planet I've ever seen.

[Merde Furieux]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

In fairness, I haven't seen anyone mentioning a politician or making a pure political statement in this thread the last few pages... (shit, I even agreed with Lone) You may not like what is being said, but it doesn't appear to be political. As more studies and models are done, it is apparent that the deaths and hospitalization are effecting those with underlying conditions and/or older, 65+, at great disparity. While I think it was right to take some of the measures early, with the unknown CFR/IFR, it is now time to figure out how to protect the vulnerable as they stay somewhat isolated, while at the same time allowing those at low risk for hospitalization and death to be able to get back to work and live their lives while practicing common sense and social distancing.

This thread can stay apolitical without it becoming an echo chamber for one voice.

Excellent post.