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Old 04-22-2020, 05:44 PM  
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Rod Woodson is the best #10 pick since the merger
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I disagree.


But I might harbor some bias.
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Old 04-22-2020, 07:14 PM   #16
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You didn’t answer my questions. I wonder why.
Yes I did I mentioned some lesser lights winning SB's/NFL MVP.

Is Lamar "MVP" Jackson a great QB?
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Old 04-22-2020, 07:15 PM   #17
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Yes I did I mentioned some lesser lights winning SB's/NFL MVP.

Is Lamar "MVP" Jackson a great QB?
He won the super bowl MVP? Which year?

How many super bowl mvps did Woodson win?
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Old 04-22-2020, 07:16 PM   #18
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No argument, based on how they worded things. Woodson is far and away the best #10 pick in terms of accomplishments. Excluding Mahomes, because he's only been playing for two seasons.
You nailed it!
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Old 04-22-2020, 07:19 PM   #19
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You measure greatness in championships, and Mahomes has already equaled Woodson there. Playing a long time is great. Pro Bowls and All Pros are great. League MVP and Superbowl MVP trumps all of that.
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Old 04-22-2020, 07:22 PM   #20
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He won the super bowl MVP? Which year?

How many super bowl mvps did Woodson win?
Obviously talking NFL MVP, and do you really think SB MVP is all that......Larry Brown!!!!

How can anyone compare any player with only ...three....seasons vs a 17 year vet who is considered one of the legends of the game.
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Old 04-22-2020, 07:25 PM   #21
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Obviously talking NFL MVP, and do you really think SB MVP is all that......Larry Brown!!!!

How can anyone compare any player with only ...three....seasons vs a 17 year vet who is considered one of the legends of the game.
You're talking about the last Superbowl like it wasn't one of the greatest games of all time, with one of the greatest comebacks of all time, and Mahomes was some guy who just happened to be there.

Weird little box you live in.
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Old 04-22-2020, 07:26 PM   #22
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You measure greatness in championships, and Mahomes has already equaled Woodson there. Playing a long time is great. Pro Bowls and All Pros are great. League MVP and Superbowl MVP trumps all of that.
Eli Manning won two SB titles.

John Unitas
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Jim Kelly
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....won...0...combined.
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Old 04-22-2020, 07:27 PM   #24
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You measure greatness in championships, and Mahomes has already equaled Woodson there. Playing a long time is great. Pro Bowls and All Pros are great. League MVP and Superbowl MVP trumps all of that.
Yes and no.

If Mahomes doesn't play another down for some reason, or maybe only plays a couple more seasons and then stops for whatever reason, we'll look at his career and many will think "he was a flash in the pan." Or a one-hit wonder, whatever sounds right to you.

It wouldn't be that different from that NBA guard (can't remember his name now) that came off the bench as a rookie or a 2nd-year guy, and nearly took his team to the championship. Everyone jumped on his bandwagon for a couple years after that, but he got hurt or something and disappeared. No one looking back now is going to say "that guy was one of the greatest guards in the modern era." Because he didn't stick around long enough and play at that high level for long enough.

Woodson, on the other hand, has a 17-year career of consistent greatness to contrast/compare with any #10 pick.

Now, it won't be very long before you'll have to revisit this conversation and admit that Mahomes is the greatest 10th pick ever. 3 or 4 more years? Just not right now.
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Old 04-22-2020, 07:29 PM   #25
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You're talking about the last Superbowl like it wasn't one of the greatest games of all time, with one of the greatest comebacks of all time, and Mahomes was some guy who just happened to be there.

Weird little box you live in.
I made it very very VERY clear, Patrick Mahomes will be on the Mount Rushmore of QB's, he is the greatest third season QB we have ever seen.

BUT........three seasons vs 17. Actually two.
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Mahomes won the NFL MVP his first season on the field, and got a team to the AFC Championship for the first time in almost 50 years. And then he won the Superbowl the next year.

He doesn't have to play another down to be one of the greatest players in NFL history. He's already a legend.

We're not comparing him to Tom Brady. We're comparing him to Rod freaking Woodson.

I'd rather have Darrell Green. And he wasn't drafted until 28.
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Mahomes won the NFL MVP his first season on the field, and got a team to the AFC Championship for the first time in almost 50 years. And then he won the Superbowl the next year.

He doesn't have to play another down to be one of the greatest players in NFL history. He's already a legend.

We're not comparing him to Tom Brady. We're comparing him to Rod freaking Woodson.

I'd rather have Darrell Green. And he wasn't drafted until 28.
Rod Woodson vs Darrell Green

INT...71....54
Pro bowls....11....6
All Pro....6.....1

Not even close, it's all Woodson.
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I rank Ronnie Lott above him. Lott was an 8x First Team All Pro and had better overall numbers by playing less seasons. Lott was by far the most dominant and feared DB the league has ever seen.
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I rank Ronnie Lott above him. Lott was an 8x First Team All Pro and had better overall numbers by playing less seasons. Lott was by far the most dominant and feared DB the league has ever seen.
Was Lott picked 10th?
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Eli Manning won two SB titles.

John Unitas
Fran Tarkenton
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Dan Fouts
Dan Marino
Philip Rivers

....won...0...combined.
Johnny Unitas thinks you missed a trivia question.
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