*****2020 NFL DRAFT THREAD - NO SPOILERS*****

[Dante84]

Version 2020 - WORLD CHAMPION EDITION

We are now within 24 hours - Cincinnati is on the clock.

Let's ****ing do this.

Rules:
1. No spoiled picks in this thread, all weekend. This means that as tweets are leaking picks a few minutes before the selection is announced live, you don't post it in this thread (ex: embedded tweets), reference it in this thread (ex: Joe Slapdick says it's So and So to Green Bay) or hint at it (ex: "it's a RB!").

2. Don't be a dick.

Otherwise, have fun, talk shit, freak out and lose your goddamned minds. It's Draft Weekend. The hot takes in these threads are so funny. I'll also be starting player threads for each of our picks as they are made, with videos and notable stats/takes in the OP. Pure knee jerk gold to reference in the future.


Here is our current pick order:

• Round 1: Pick No. 32: CLYDE EDWARDS-HELAIRE, RB, LSU
• Round 2: Pick No. 63: WILLIE GAY, JR, LB, MISS. STATE
• Round 3: Pick No. 96: LUCAS NIANG, OL, TCU
• Round 4: Pick No. 138: L'JARIUS SNEED, DB, LA. TECH
• Round 5: Pick No. 177: MIKE DANNA, DE, MICHIGAN
• Round 6: No Picks
• Round 7: Pick No. 237: THAKARIUS BOPETE KEYES, CB, Tulane

Here is a list of the prospects the Chiefs have shown interest in this year.

View the 2019 Draft thread here
View the 2018 Draft thread here
View the 2017 Draft thread here

Time to grind! pic.twitter.com/FGn916qBq1

— Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) April 24, 2020

[Kyle DeLexus]

Originally Posted by frozenchief

Little bit younger but I don’t give a ****.

The evidence is clear: RBs don’t merit the attention that they did 30 years ago. You no longer need a first round RB. Handing the ball to an RB generally COSTS a team points. You can either look at the data and agree or you can make snide comments, but the fact is, Veach wasted this pick.

If you disagree, point to a RB in the last 15 years that had a positive Extra Points Added per carry. We would have been better off drafting a WR or another TE.

You need a running game to close games out. This pick will also help put points on the board. He is a matchup nightmare for opposing teams. We can still improve the OL, D and possibly another WR or TE with our 4 other picks. Now we also have a RB under club control for 5 years + franchise tags. That extra year can be huge if you hit on a RB.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by frozenchief

Then take a safety. I don’t care. The evidence over the past decade plus shows that RBs COST points.

I’m a numbers/data/analytics guy. I read what computer crunching data means for current NFL games means. And they mean that you don’t take an RB in the first round.

Here’s Geoff Schwartz talking about why it is ludicrous to pay for an elite RB in today’s NFL:

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/4/...ound-box-count

This was just a giant waste.

I find it amusing you think this guy will be used like a traditional running back in an Andy Reid offense.

[jerryaldini]

Originally Posted by frozenchief

You miss the point. I said that OL will be a better choice if you want to improve the run game. Sol if there isn’t an OL that’s worthy of a 1st round pick, choose a CB or an LB or an edge rusher or another position we need. Fine. Just don’t waste a first round pick on an RB.

Frozen I normally agree with you about running game. But picks are situational.
1. RBs were clearly BPA at that point
2. Chiefs lack any depth at the position
3. Perfectly fits Andy. CEH will be a beast in the passing game and Andy gadgets. Screen game and draws are big part of Andy's ability to keep defenses honest against his high pass ratio game. Situationally, he was the right guy at that spot

[TambaBerry]

Originally Posted by frozenchief

Then take a safety. I don’t care. The evidence over the past decade plus shows that RBs COST points.

I’m a numbers/data/analytics guy. I read what computer crunching data means for current NFL games means. And they mean that you don’t take an RB in the first round.

Here’s Geoff Schwartz talking about why it is ludicrous to pay for an elite RB in today’s NFL:

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/4/...ound-box-count

This was just a giant waste.

Better get a different job then

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Brett Veach said a lot of teams were calling them asking if they were interested in coming up. He said once the Packers traded up the phones went silent and they were fine with that.

— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) April 24, 2020

[RunKC]

I love the guy but I have to ask: do you think it is a bad use of resources to draft a RB that has proven to not give a 2nd contract to?

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

My knock is purely that Reid has been so good at finding RBs in the mid rounds.

That said, if he loves one enough to sign off on taking him early, then he’s probably a ****ing baller.

I’d rather take a good running back than reach for a CB, LB, etc

I don't think that people understand that this kid is special.

And in this system, what he does best will be highlighted.

You're all talking about the 2020 Offensive Rookie of the Year. Write that shit down and take it to the bank.

[frozenchief]

Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

You need a running game to close games out. This pick will also help put points on the board. He is a matchup nightmare for opposing teams. We can still improve the OL, D and possibly another WR or TE with our 4 other picks. Now we also have a RB under club control for 5 years + franchise tags. That extra year can be huge if you hit on a RB.

I get the argument. I don’t want to pay an RB premium $ in a few years. Why not draft BPA in another area, like OL or backfield or somewhere else that justifies a good contract in a few years?

The only saving grace to this is that the Chiefs are returning 20 of 22 starters and this is a luxury pick. BUt even a luxury pick is a waste of a pick.

[dallaschiefsfan]

Two position groups that still had top players available. We chose RB. This is fantastic value for 32. When Damien's contract runs out this year, you have a guy ready to go for the next 4 years on a rookie contract. I look forward to Veach's magic rounds tomorrow.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I love the guy but I have to ask: do you think it is a bad use of resources to draft a RB that has proven to not give a 2nd contract to?

If he helps us create an overwhelming offense that wins a couple more Super Bowls before he's on that 2nd contract, I don't think anyone's gonna be complaining.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I love the guy but I have to ask: do you think it is a bad use of resources to draft a RB that has proven to not give a 2nd contract to?

What if that running back ends up being one of your most reliable playmakers?

This team is loaded. It can afford to "splurge" on a RB.

This kid adds another dimension to this offense that we didn't have last season.

He gives us back everything Kareem Hunt gave us and then some.

I really feel like people don't understand that.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by frozenchief

Then take a safety. I don’t care. The evidence over the past decade plus shows that RBs COST points.

I’m a numbers/data/analytics guy. I read what computer crunching data means for current NFL games means. And they mean that you don’t take an RB in the first round.

Here’s Geoff Schwartz talking about why it is ludicrous to pay for an elite RB in today’s NFL:

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/4/...ound-box-count

This was just a giant waste.

^ this is why so many don’t like numbers-only guys. Don’t freak out just because people don’t follow the numbers and math exactly or believe in them as firmly as you do.

Sports aren’t just a math problem.

CEH isn’t just a running back. He’s an extension of the passing game and a rare talent in that arena. He’s not going to be catching checkdowns and swings like so many RB routes. He’s going to be the centerpiece of Andy Reid’s screen game; he’s going to run dangerous routes (wheel, angle) and be a matchup nightmare for teams and move the chains.

A team running a nickel alignment against KC or a “big dime” is going to still have trouble matching up well with CEH. The premiere S and LB coverage guys are needed for doubling Hill and covering Kelce.

If your second coverage LB (or your LB in a dime) is trying to chase CEH in the past game, that’s a huge matchup advantage.

[Kyle DeLexus]

Originally Posted by frozenchief

I get the argument. I don’t want to pay an RB premium $ in a few years. Why not draft BPA in another area, like OL or backfield or somewhere else that justifies a good contract in a few years?

The only saving grace to this is that the Chiefs are returning 20 of 22 starters and this is a luxury pick. BUt even a luxury pick is a waste of a pick.

I'd rather take a RB the Front Office sees as a stud for 5-6 years than reach on a OL or another position they don't feel as good about just to give that player a second contract.

Nothing says you have to give a player a second contract. Use the shit out of your RB, Tag, trade, use picks to do it again.

I'm normally with you on not taking a RB in the 1st, but I honestly think it's more never take one in the top 25 because there should always be better value. Ideally I would have liked to see them trade back a few picks and pick up some additional mid or late rounders, but it takes a team willing to trade up to do that.

[carcosa]

Originally Posted by frozenchief

I get the argument. I don’t want to pay an RB premium $ in a few years. Why not draft BPA in another area, like OL or backfield or somewhere else that justifies a good contract in a few years?

The only saving grace to this is that the Chiefs are returning 20 of 22 starters and this is a luxury pick. BUt even a luxury pick is a waste of a pick.

you done?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Brett Veach said a lot of teams were calling them asking if they were interested in coming up. He said once the Packers traded up the phones went silent and they were fine with that.

— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) April 24, 2020

so I guess Veach didn’t value Queen as much as the posters in here did?