***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by eDave

Fun fact: AZ, TX, and FL all opened up early.

Meanwhile CA had the most new cases today and continues to surge faster than the 3 states you mentioned.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I am too. She is a real piece of work. She punted everything to the localities then apparently when some weren't doing what her and her butt buddies wanted then she decided to be Queen again.

She is a Democrat in an overwhelming Republican state. She does does act with the swagger of a NY or CA governor because at the end of the day she knows her rope is short unlike theirs.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by 007

That's what pisses me off. The way they are wording things, I fully expect her to say masks are required until a vaccine is available.

Perhaps she's actually going to follow the task force guidelines for re-opening, which is what every state should have done.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DaFace

While I understand the frustration, what difference does it make? They could give you a date, then extend, then extend, then extend.... The final result is the same.

Dates have never mattered. I get why people "need" to hear it, but it's never made any sense.

[KS Smitty]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I am too. She is a real piece of work. She punted everything to the localities then apparently when some weren't doing what her and her butt buddies wanted then she decided to be Queen again.

You're ****ing stupid Pete. She is doing this because there are rises in cases and the localities aren't being proactive to it. Hell my county commission voted 3-0 to go against our health department recommendations to continue a slow reopening and so there are no restrictions in place.

“This doesn’t change where you can go or what you can do. It just means if you’re around other people, you must wear a mask.”

Kelly said enforcement should occur at the local level, and she encouraged city and county officials to take the order seriously.

“As cases continue to rise, masks are the best defense to keep Kansans at work, to get our kids back to school and to keep ourselves and our neighbors healthy,” Kelly said.

“COVID-19 is still in our communities,” Kelly said. “It is still spreading.”

She said mask wearing is necessary to avoid another shutdown of the state’s economy.

“When we look at where we are seeing clusters of cases, we are not seeing them in businesses where masks are worn,” Kelly said. “We have no clusters attributed to barber shops, hair salons or dental offices. However, we are seeing a significant increase in clusters related to gatherings where masks are not being worn.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by KS Smitty

“When we look at where we are seeing clusters of cases, we are not seeing them in businesses where masks are worn,” Kelly said. “We have no clusters attributed to barber shops, hair salons or dental offices. However, we are seeing a significant increase in clusters related to gatherings where masks are not being worn.”

Pfffft. Pussies.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KS Smitty

You're ****ing stupid Pete. She is doing this because there are rises in cases and the localities aren't being proactive to it. Hell my county commission voted 3-0 to go against our health department recommendations to continue a slow reopening and so there are no restrictions in place.

“This doesn’t change where you can go or what you can do. It just means if you’re around other people, you must wear a mask.”

Kelly said enforcement should occur at the local level, and she encouraged city and county officials to take the order seriously.

“As cases continue to rise, masks are the best defense to keep Kansans at work, to get our kids back to school and to keep ourselves and our neighbors healthy,” Kelly said.

“COVID-19 is still in our communities,” Kelly said. “It is still spreading.”

She said mask wearing is necessary to avoid another shutdown of the state’s economy.

“When we look at where we are seeing clusters of cases, we are not seeing them in businesses where masks are worn,” Kelly said. “We have no clusters attributed to barber shops, hair salons or dental offices. However, we are seeing a significant increase in clusters related to gatherings where masks are not being worn.”

Yeah, I know what she said but thanks anyway

[TLO]

Would someone please take a look at this? From what I am reading, hospitalization from the flu is more likely for ages >35? Not sure if I'm reading it right though.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....full.pdf+html

There are charts at the bottom. You don't have to read the whole thing.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Because people want to hear a plan, not just off the cuff bullshit. Even the idiot Mayor in KC had a timeline he was talking about.

When you give a timeline or some other criteria it says you have thought this through and know what it is your are looking for. When you just say this is now the law without anything else it sounds like you are just doing shit to do it.

The virus decides./Fauci

[Pants]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Deaths are at < 2 a day for the state of Ks
Hospitals are in no jeopardy at all right now.

I think the question is why she is coming out now with this and didn't even give a timeline. This seems to me to be because some of the areas such as JOCO didn't go along with her buddies across the state line.

I mean how in the **** do you call for masks and quarantine other states but not Texas? It just doesn't come off as very well thought out.

pete, did you read that bit about exponential growth? It starts SLOW, like it's nothing major, and the hospitals are not overwhelmed at all. By the time they are, it's too late. I am not sure how much simpler I can make it.

The cases are going up in Kansas. It's not a good trend. It's made worse by the fact that this is not going to be a linear, controlled and measured thing.

Again, CASES ARE GOING UP. Implementing mitigation measures is a good thing.

I wish wearing masks was not politicized in this country. That's literally the only thing making people not want to wear them.

It's ****ing painful to watch.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by TLO

Would someone please take a look at this? From what I am reading, hospitalization from the flu is more likely for ages >35? Not sure if I'm reading it right though.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....full.pdf+html

There are charts at the bottom. You don't have to read the whole thing.

That isn't the conclusion of the study. The conclusion is that if you looked at the ages of 1000 people who were in the hospital with the flu and compared it to 1000 people in the hospital with Covid 19, the average age of the covid group would be lower. In other words, the study concludes that age is a bigger factor in hospitalizations with flu than for covid. Same with co-morbidities.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Pants

pete, did read that bit about exponential growth? It starts slows and the hospitals are not overwhelmed at all. By the time they are, it's too late. I am not sure how much simpler I can make it.

The cases are going up in Kansas. It's not a good trend. It's made worse by the fact that this is not going to be a linear, controlled and measured thing.

Again, CASES ARE GOING UP. Implementing mitigation measures is a good thing.

I wish wearing masks was not politicized in this country. That's literally the only thing making people not wanting to wear them.

It's ****ing painful to watch.

Yeah, states are constantly learning from other states, and trying to predict what will happen and how quickly it'll happen is largely guesswork. Even with so much data, there are a lot of variables that go into play... population density, use of public transportation, the adoption of masks, what each city deems necessary to close down, etc.

You want to act early enough, but not too early... you have to balance the economy and people's jobs and ways of life with death and hospital capacity and healthcare worker sanity, etc.

And then you're asking politicians of all people to just figure it out themselves.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

You want to act early enough, but not too early... you have to balance the economy and people's jobs and ways of life with death and hospital capacity and healthcare worker sanity, etc.

Absolutely. I 100% agree. I wouldn't put masks in that category, though.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pants

pete, did read that bit about exponential growth? It starts slows and the hospitals are not overwhelmed at all. By the time they are, it's too late. I am not sure how much simpler I can make it.

The cases are going up in Kansas. It's not a good trend. It's made worse by the fact that this is not going to be a linear, controlled and measured thing.

Again, CASES ARE GOING UP. Implementing mitigation measures is a good thing.

I wish wearing masks was not politicized in this country. That's literally the only thing making people not wanting to wear them.

It's ****ing painful to watch.

If you want to make it more simple you could start by using complete and coherent sentences. Watching you lecture me without them is painful.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by petegz28

If you want to make it more simple you could start by using complete and coherent sentences. Watching you lecture me without them is painful.

No problem. Fixed.