***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

If the 3 big hotspots have indeed peaked and are coming down, let’s just copy what they did to get it down

[loochy]

Originally Posted by O.city

If the 3 big hotspots have indeed peaked and are coming down, let’s just copy what they did to get it down

Pretending to take measures but really doing nothing? That's what happened in Texas, at least...just mandatory masks in public indoors

[Chief Pagan]

Sweden had a lighter touch and didn't do the hard lock down like its neighbors. But they voluntarily did a lot of social distancing and even without the lock down things like restaurant dine in dropped.

They ended up with far more deaths than their neighbors. But even without locking down, their economy took almost as big as hit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/b...ronavirus.html

This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.

“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53498133

Research from Scandinavian bank SEB in April suggested Swedes were spending at a higher rate than consumers in neighbouring Nordic nations.

Despite this, various forecasts predict the Swedish economy will still shrink by about 5% this year. That's less than other countries hit hard by Covid-19 such as Italy, Spain and the UK, but still similar to the rest of Scandinavia. Sweden's unemployment rate of 9% remains the highest in the Nordics, up from 7.1% in March.


Sweden is a small economy that is open to global trade. So some of its downturn is because the world economy downturn and not just because people were staying home.

But that is true of its Nordic neighbors. They faced the same headwind. They had the same downturn with many fewer deaths per capita.

Now it's certainly possible that Sweden may have gained some level of herd immunity. And it's economy rebounds more quickly than it's neighbors. And over the next year or so, its neighbors catch up in deaths while staying economically behind.

But I think it is more likely that none of them do that well until there is a vaccine. If a vaccine is rolled out early in 2021 every economy will bounce back. And Sweden would have had far more of its citizens die with little economic benefit.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

And you posted nothing but a string of insults. Thats how you know when someone has lost the argument. Childish behavior like yours.

There's no use in posting anything pertaining to your bullshit. You're just the next ****ing idiot to post in this thread with some kind of agenda or a severe learning deficit or both.
If you had a lick of sense you'd thank the posters interacting with you for the education they handed you. But you won't. You might think you're slick, or smart but you're neither. Like I said, you're just the next idiot.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by loochy

Pretending to take measures but really doing nothing? That's what happened in Texas, at least...just mandatory masks in public indoors

I was kind of wondering about that

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by O.city

If the 3 big hotspots have indeed peaked and are coming down, let’s just copy what they did to get it down

Don’t mandate anything just make suggestions?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Don’t mandate anything just make suggestions?

I mean if you can peak and come down without it, seems to be ideal. It’s definitely a tight rope to walk.

If they are all coming down and it goes down quick, I think there’s gotta be something happening at about 20% infections of the population

Maybe I’m just being hopeful tho

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by O.city

I mean if you can peak and come down without it, seems to be ideal. It’s definitely a tight rope to walk.

If they are all coming down and it goes down quick, I think there’s gotta be something happening at about 20% infections of the population

Maybe I’m just being hopeful tho

It’s too early to tell how a second wave may impact these places, do you agree?

And I’m still not sold on lasting immunity, so does reaching 20% infections really matter as far as a future second wave is concerned? Same scenario could happen in surge places again.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

I mean if you can peak and come down without it, seems to be ideal. It’s definitely a tight rope to walk.

If they are all coming down and it goes down quick, I think there’s gotta be something happening at about 20% infections of the population

Maybe I’m just being hopeful tho

If we go off that, it gives me hope that Missouri won't get hit that hard. I just don't know though.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by lewdog

It’s too early to tell how a second wave may impact these places, do you agree?

And I’m still not sold on lasting immunity, so does reaching 20% infections really matter as far as a future second wave is concerned? Same scenario could happen in surge places again.

With everything that’s happened in New York and Europe, I don’t think there’s a high likelihood of a second wave. Maybe pop up hot spots

We just don’t know on the immunity front yet. I’ve seen all the speculation so I tend to think there’s gonna be good immunity to it but we don’t know for sure

[KCUnited]

Chicago re-shutdown indoor patronage at bars with non-food service on Friday after seeing a surge in new cases, mostly from the 18-29 year old age group. Took down some statues in the middle of the night to help keep crowds from gathering as well. Lake Michigan beaches around the city are still closed. Thought I heard we had the highest number of new cases in 2 months. Testing roughly 40K a day statewide last I heard.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Maybe I’m just being hopeful tho

[petegz28]

Kansas may have got their first pediatric death from Covd. KU Med reported losing a patient but I didn't get any of the specifics. To date the youngest person in Kansas to die from Covid is 29.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Kansas may have got their first pediatric death from Covd. KU Med reported losing a patient but I didn't get any of the specifics. To date the youngest person in Kansas to die from Covid is 29.

Not taking the sadness away from losing a child but I’ve yet to read a case where a child COVID death wasn’t a child with multiple medical conditions, many times severe conditions. That seems to be the only consistency with this virus, as kids under 10 are very safe from its affects.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by stumppy

You know, every time you post a bunch of bullshit you'll get called on it in this thread.
JFC, the idiots come crawling out of the woodwork around here.

You rang?