***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

So just so I understand your position what should we be doing about covid?

In regards to the Spanish Flu, the cytokine storm is happening in children with Covid we just have better medical treatments now to identify and stop it. That is what the multi system inflammatory syndrome is caused by.

What % of children are having this issue? Give me a number.

The American Academy of Pediatrics noted the data showed that severe illness due to COVID-19 appears to be rare among children. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention also has said that children who get the virus are less likely to have severe symptoms.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

What % of children are having this issue? Give me a number.

No evidence of link between COVID-19 and Kawasaki disease, expert says
https://news.northwestern.edu/storie...-disease/&fj=1

[Perineum Ripper]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, not to me. It's just a comparison between total deaths (so far) between two historical events.

So what is the point of saying heart disease isn’t contagious when it’s compared to COVID but not saying it when compared to deaths from war?

[oldandslow]

Well my son just tested positive. Thirty eight and in good health but is running 104 temp and coughing his lungs out.

Thoughts and prayers appreciated.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

What % of children are having this issue? Give me a number.

Can't give you a % but it is small, like maybe 100 or under that have been diagnosed with MSIS

There’s lot we don’t understand about Covid in kids. We shouldn't trivialize observed or possible risks. Schools have been closed; many kids deliberately sheltered from infection. In coaxing schools to open it’s imprudent to argue Covid is harmless, or milder in kids than flu 3/3 pic.twitter.com/JhoIOBTrlF

— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) August 8, 2020

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by oldandslow

Well my son just tested positive. Thirty eight and in good health but is running 104 temp and coughing his lungs out.

Thoughts and prayers appreciated.

Good thoughts your way for both of you.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by mac459

So what is the point of saying heart disease isn’t contagious when it’s compared to COVID but not saying it when compared to deaths from war?

6 people were homicided last night in KC. That's 6 more than died from Covid.

donger: homicide isn't contagious.....

and round and round you go......

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by oldandslow

Well my son just tested positive. Thirty eight and in good health but is running 104 temp and coughing his lungs out.

Thoughts and prayers appreciated.

Hope your son gets better and you might buy him an oximeter if he doesn't have one.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

6 people were homicided last night in KC. That's 6 more than died from Covid.

donger: homicide isn't contagious.....

and round and round you go......

but remember, the CFR of murder is always ≥ 1

[Pants]

Originally Posted by oldandslow

Well my son just tested positive. Thirty eight and in good health but is running 104 temp and coughing his lungs out.

Thoughts and prayers appreciated.

Thoughts and prayers for your son and the family, man.

Are you comfortable sharing with us in what part of the country he lives?

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by oldandslow

Well my son just tested positive. Thirty eight and in good health but is running 104 temp and coughing his lungs out.

Thoughts and prayers appreciated.

Get him a pulse oximeter and do not delay seeking medical advice if symptoms worsen.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by mac459

So what is the point of saying heart disease isn’t contagious when it’s compared to COVID but not saying it when compared to deaths from war?

Because heart disease isn't contagious. Neither are car crashes.

People here tried to use those examples as why we shouldn't mitigate, because we don't for them and they kill just as many people. It is then pointed out that they are not contagious.

Again, the comparison to war dead is just that: "Holy crap. This thing has killed more Americans in two months than Vietnam did in 10 years."

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

6 people were homicided last night in KC. That's 6 more than died from Covid.

donger: homicide isn't contagious.....

and round and round you go......

[Perineum Ripper]

Originally Posted by Donger

Because heart disease isn't contagious. Neither are car crashes.

People here tried to use those examples as why we shouldn't mitigate, because we don't for them and they kill just as many people. It is then pointed out that they are not contagious.

Again, the comparison to war dead is just that: "Holy crap. This thing has killed more Americans in two months than Vietnam did in 10 years."

Neither are war deaths, so why compare? People were using Vietnam to further their argument to do more on clamping things down. Why can they use none contagious deaths for their argument but not the other side?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Again, the comparison to war dead is just that: "Holy crap. This thing has killed more Americans in two months than Vietnam did in 10 years."

And so has heart disease.