Chiefs What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2 - Page 9

dlphg9 · 02-17-2021, 05:43 AM

Spoiler alert!

Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem.

Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy.

Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 212
Rec - 148
Yards - 2064

Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 273
Rec - 209
Yards - 2502

Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 193
Rec - 135
Yards - 1846

Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 198
Rec - 135
Yards - 2059

New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 189
Rec - 144
Yards - 1482

Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 188
Rec - 116
Yards - 1470

Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 261
Rec - 183
Yards - 2357

Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 164
Rec - 99
Yards - 1391

Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 227
Rec - 155
Yards - 2092

Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option :

Targets - 62
Receptions - 41
Yards - 530

Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined :

Targets - 212
Receptions - 147
Yards - 1918

This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option

Targets - 62 (62 avg)
Receptions - 41 (41 avg)
Yards - 560 (530 avg)

Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined

Targets - 280 (most in group)
Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group)
Yards - 2692 (most in group)

So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats.

TLDR;

Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time.

PS:

Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs.

PSS:

****ing Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games!

PSSS:

****ing MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.

**Bowser** · 06-28-2021, 10:36 AM

King isn't exactly wrong with saying Mecole has been Andy's "gadget" receiver, and there is nothing wrong with that when you've got Tyreek, Kelce and a healthy Watkins out there. And even when Watkins wasn't out there, Robinson played Watkins' role because Mecole was good at what he did in this offense, and there was nothing wrong with that either.

Things may very well change this season for him, and by the sound of Nate Taylor's comments they will. As long as Mecole can run the routes for the X and be 80% the blocker Sammy is, he might be the guy. We'll see.

**RealSNR** · 06-28-2021, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

That’s great to hear.

He looks different too. Seems like added a little more muscle.

He's hard, man

Kiimo · 06-29-2021, 01:17 PM

This cracked me up:

What Chiefs player needs to have a big 2021?

Mecole Hardmanhttps://t.co/MHODNnlPHF @ArrowheadLive @CBreezy_Edits pic.twitter.com/PIDdtyg9HQ
— Price Carter (@priceacarter) June 28, 2021

Look at who said the quote in the graphic this guy tweeted

**BossChief** · 06-29-2021, 10:22 PM

If he worked hard this offseason, he can be a big time weapon for us.

His weaknesses are things that work can fix.

1) Getting off the line better. Using his quickness and hand speed to get off press. With his speed, if he can simply do this better, he’s goi g to break a lot of big plays because he can get fairly instant separation if he can beat press. His routes get majorly disrupted or just flat out walled off right at the line way too much up to this point.

2) Running a whole route tree. #1 will definitely help this one, but he needs to be able to diversify his routes to get on the field more. This is a big reason he didn’t get on the field and be productive more in this first 2 years. He needs to take the next step of not relying strictly on his speed to make plays. He needs to develop his quick twitch to explode in and out of his breaks more instead of rounding off his routes. A big part of this is his sight adjustments. He needs to be able to read what the defense is doing much faster and adjust his routes the way Pat is looking for him to. Sight adjustments are huge in Andy’s WCO.

3) “Keep running” dude just stops once he’s not initially open. That pissed everyone off as a rookie, and didn’t improve much last year. This offensive line is going to give Pat a lot of time to find the open man and with Pats ability to improvise and keep the play alive, Mecole has a chance to make a ton of explosive plays when Pat has 3-5 seconds to find the open man. He just needs to be better prepared to know where to go to give Pat a target to hit after his initial route is convered.

…

Honestly, I think most of Mecoles weaknesses are things that can become strengths if he puts in the work both mental and physical.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-29-2021, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

This cracked me up:
Look at who said the quote in the graphic this guy tweeted

What a moron. And the tweet makes zero sense.

Mecole Hardman has to step up because he has an elite pedigree?

What in the mother of ****?

MahomesMagic · 06-30-2021, 04:58 AM

Not buying it. I think Powell beats him out.

TEX · 06-30-2021, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Not buying it. I think Powell beats him out.

Bet not.

RunKC · 06-30-2021, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Not buying it. I think Powell beats him out.

I think Powell will take Robinson’s job if he does overtake someone

**Bowser** · 06-30-2021, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

I think Powell will take Robinson’s job if he does overtake someone

Beat me to it

TEX · 06-30-2021, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

I think Powell will take Robinson’s job if he does overtake someone

Yep.

staylor26 · 07-07-2021, 01:07 PM

Expected to come into camp as the #2 WR according to Nate Taylor.

MahomesMagic · 07-07-2021, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26

Expected to come into camp as the #2 WR according to Nate Taylor.

He's the best of the veterans (not named Tyreek).

I'm targeting Powell late in redrafts.

RunKC · 07-07-2021, 02:00 PM

His competition is Robinson, Pringle, Callaway and a rookie. He should be the #2

**wazu** · 07-07-2021, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

His competition is Robinson, Pringle, Callaway and a rookie. He should be the #2

Put me in Camp Pringle.

Dunerdr · 07-08-2021, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu

Put me in Camp Pringle.

Not a chance. Hes getting traded for N'keal harry.

02-17-2021, 05:43 AM
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1440347	What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2 Spoiler alert! Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem. Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy. Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds Top 2 options Targets - 212 Rec - 148 Yards - 2064 Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds Top 2 options Targets - 273 Rec - 209 Yards - 2502 Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds Top 2 options Targets - 193 Rec - 135 Yards - 1846 Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds Top 2 options Targets - 198 Rec - 135 Yards - 2059 New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds Top 2 options Targets - 189 Rec - 144 Yards - 1482 Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds Top 2 options Targets - 188 Rec - 116 Yards - 1470 Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds Top 2 options Targets - 261 Rec - 183 Yards - 2357 Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds Top 2 options Targets - 164 Rec - 99 Yards - 1391 Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds Top 2 options Targets - 227 Rec - 155 Yards - 2092 Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option : Targets - 62 Receptions - 41 Yards - 530 Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined : Targets - 212 Receptions - 147 Yards - 1918 This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option Targets - 62 (62 avg) Receptions - 41 (41 avg) Yards - 560 (530 avg) Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined Targets - 280 (most in group) Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group) Yards - 2692 (most in group) So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats. TLDR; Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time. PS: Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs. PSS: **ing Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games! PSSS: **ing MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.
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06-28-2021, 10:36 AM	#121
Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $-48384	King isn't exactly wrong with saying Mecole has been Andy's "gadget" receiver, and there is nothing wrong with that when you've got Tyreek, Kelce and a healthy Watkins out there. And even when Watkins wasn't out there, Robinson played Watkins' role because Mecole was good at what he did in this offense, and there was nothing wrong with that either. Things may very well change this season for him, and by the sound of Nate Taylor's comments they will. As long as Mecole can run the routes for the X and be 80% the blocker Sammy is, he might be the guy. We'll see.
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06-29-2021, 01:17 PM	#123
Kiimo MVP Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Studio City, CA Casino cash: $1998742	This cracked me up: What Chiefs player needs to have a big 2021? Mecole Hardmanhttps://t.co/MHODNnlPHF @ArrowheadLive @CBreezy_Edits pic.twitter.com/PIDdtyg9HQ — Price Carter (@priceacarter) June 28, 2021 Look at who said the quote in the graphic this guy tweeted
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06-29-2021, 10:22 PM	#124
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1575912	If he worked hard this offseason, he can be a big time weapon for us. His weaknesses are things that work can fix. 1) Getting off the line better. Using his quickness and hand speed to get off press. With his speed, if he can simply do this better, he’s goi g to break a lot of big plays because he can get fairly instant separation if he can beat press. His routes get majorly disrupted or just flat out walled off right at the line way too much up to this point. 2) Running a whole route tree. #1 will definitely help this one, but he needs to be able to diversify his routes to get on the field more. This is a big reason he didn’t get on the field and be productive more in this first 2 years. He needs to take the next step of not relying strictly on his speed to make plays. He needs to develop his quick twitch to explode in and out of his breaks more instead of rounding off his routes. A big part of this is his sight adjustments. He needs to be able to read what the defense is doing much faster and adjust his routes the way Pat is looking for him to. Sight adjustments are huge in Andy’s WCO. 3) “Keep running” dude just stops once he’s not initially open. That pissed everyone off as a rookie, and didn’t improve much last year. This offensive line is going to give Pat a lot of time to find the open man and with Pats ability to improvise and keep the play alive, Mecole has a chance to make a ton of explosive plays when Pat has 3-5 seconds to find the open man. He just needs to be better prepared to know where to go to give Pat a target to hit after his initial route is convered. … Honestly, I think most of Mecoles weaknesses are things that can become strengths if he puts in the work both mental and physical. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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06-30-2021, 04:58 AM	#126
MahomesMagic Generational Player Join Date: May 2017 Location: Honolulu Casino cash: $530400	Not buying it. I think Powell beats him out.
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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1440389	His competition is Robinson, Pringle, Callaway and a rookie. He should be the #2 __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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