Chiefs What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2 - Page 28

dlphg9 · 02-17-2021, 05:43 AM

Spoiler alert!

Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem.

Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy.

Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 212
Rec - 148
Yards - 2064

Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 273
Rec - 209
Yards - 2502

Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 193
Rec - 135
Yards - 1846

Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 198
Rec - 135
Yards - 2059

New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 189
Rec - 144
Yards - 1482

Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 188
Rec - 116
Yards - 1470

Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 261
Rec - 183
Yards - 2357

Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 164
Rec - 99
Yards - 1391

Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 227
Rec - 155
Yards - 2092

Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option :

Targets - 62
Receptions - 41
Yards - 530

Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined :

Targets - 212
Receptions - 147
Yards - 1918

This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option

Targets - 62 (62 avg)
Receptions - 41 (41 avg)
Yards - 560 (530 avg)

Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined

Targets - 280 (most in group)
Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group)
Yards - 2692 (most in group)

So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats.

TLDR;

Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time.

PS:

Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs.

PSS:

****ing Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games!

PSSS:

****ing MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.

Hammock Parties · 09-12-2021, 10:44 PM

Well, he's running out of time faster than he can gobble up yards as a gimmick.

It's becoming more obvious to me he's a fast guy who isn't particularly good at anything else.

ChiefsFanatic · 09-12-2021, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Well, he's running out of time faster than he can gobble up yards as a gimmick.

It's becoming more obvious to me he's a fast guy who isn't particularly good at anything else.

Honestly, the odds are you are correct, but with a limited role his first two seasons (one of which didn't include a training camp because of COVID-19) I just think he needs a full season with an expanded role to be evaluated fairly.

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TwistedChief · 09-12-2021, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

And while I think he can be coached up, I know for a fact that you can't teach 4.2 speed.

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I know for a fact that in a player's third year, he shouldn't run out of bounds untouched 1-2yds behind the first down marker.

And it's not like that's an aberration.

Chiefspants · 09-12-2021, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

I know for a fact that in a player's third year, he shouldn't run out of bounds untouched 1-2yds behind the first down marker.

And it's not like that's an aberration.

He has Dee Ford levels of situational and on-field awareness. I'm not sure if that's going to improve at this point.

Bl00dyBizkitz · 09-12-2021, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

I know for a fact that in a player's third year, he shouldn't run out of bounds untouched 1-2yds behind the first down marker.

And it's not like that's an aberration.

Yeah this isn't a 1 time thing. There's a trend. That's the big problem.

For some strange reason, there's a large chance that when you put the ball in Hardman's hands or ask him to make a play, he just does something stupid. And we're at Year 3, and wouldn't you know, it hasn't improved. He just continues to make really silly, dumb decisions. It's just bizarre to say the least.

ChiefsFanatic · 09-12-2021, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

I know for a fact that in a player's third year, he shouldn't run out of bounds untouched 1-2yds behind the first down marker.

And it's not like that's an aberration.

Yeah, that was just ignorant.

That was on the same level as DRob never running north-south when he makes a catch.

Speaking of that, did anyone see Mahomes tell Robinson to run up field after he didn't get a first down? Robinson ran parallel to the line to gain, and Mahomes threw his arm out as if to say run that way dummy.

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TwistedChief · 09-12-2021, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

Yeah, that was just ignorant.

That was on the same level as DRob never running north-south when he makes a catch.

Speaking of that, did anyone see Mahomes tell Robinson to run up field after he didn't get a first down? Robinson ran parallel to the line to gain, and Mahomes threw his arm out as if to say run that way dummy.

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I don't think there's any chance Mahomes sees what we see and doesn't feel the same way.

Hammock Parties · 09-12-2021, 11:02 PM

The guy we're probably looking at Mecole becoming is Az-Zahir Hakim.

He was never a guy who put up a lot of huge stats, but he was fairly effective in his role within that STL offense.

If we get that out of him I guess that's OK. Just sucks he isn't more.

ChiefsFanatic · 09-12-2021, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

I don't think there's any chance Mahomes sees what we see and doesn't feel the same way.

I have only seen Mahomes call out players on the field a few times.

I yelled at my TV because Robinson could have almost fallen forward and got the first down, but ran sideways into the defender, and then Mahomes did the arm thing.

But, he also was quite annoyed with Robinson when he didn't come back to the ball, but instead drifted into the end zone.

If I was an offensive player, and Mahomes made a gesture during the game pointing out my mistake, with an unhappy look on his face, I would feel like a child who just got yelled at by the cool uncle.

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-King- · 09-12-2021, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

Yeah, that was just ignorant.

That was on the same level as DRob never running north-south when he makes a catch.

Speaking of that, did anyone see Mahomes tell Robinson to run up field after he didn't get a first down? Robinson ran parallel to the line to gain, and Mahomes threw his arm out as if to say run that way dummy.

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Judging by how Toub talked about him in his presser, I think this is something EVERYBODY in the locker room and staff have been talking about. And it sounds like they're sick of having to tell him to go forward.

It's gotta be a mental block/yips. I don't think that DRob thinks he's Tyreek hill and so he's just trying to make plays. I think DRob knows his issue but he just can't control himself when he gets the ball. Might need some sports therapists to give him a visit.

Hammock Parties · 09-12-2021, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

I think DRob knows his issue but he just can't control himself when he gets the ball. Might need some sports therapists to give him a visit.

He needs to read underwear catalogs before every snap like Rube Baker.

**RealSNR** · 09-12-2021, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

3 catches for 19 yards isn’t going to cut it.

Sounds just like one of those games where Sammy Watkins barely got targeted.

They happened a lot, too. Sure, he'd go off in the playoffs or torch the Jaguars in Week 1, but then he'd play Denver or some other team and get 1 or 2 catches for like 20-30 yards. Just like Mecole did today.

Nothing wrong with that, either. Hill and Kelce are ****ing mammoths and they have to be fed. The 2nd WR just isn't going to get much, guys.

kjwood75nro · 09-12-2021, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Judging by how Toub talked about him in his presser, I think this is something EVERYBODY in the locker room and staff have been talking about. And it sounds like they're sick of having to tell him to go forward.

It's gotta be a mental block/yips. I don't think that DRob thinks he's Tyreek hill and so he's just trying to make plays. I think DRob knows his issue but he just can't control himself when he gets the ball. Might need some sports therapists to give him a visit.

Sports therapists. Right...

lcarus · 09-12-2021, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The guy we're probably looking at Mecole becoming is Az-Zahir Hakim.

He was never a guy who put up a lot of huge stats, but he was fairly effective in his role within that STL offense.

If we get that out of him I guess that's OK. Just sucks he isn't more.

It's especially a bitter pill to swallow when I watch Seahawks games and DK Metcalf is lighting it up.

flinchfree · 09-13-2021, 12:06 AM

Runs around like an elf in a Shakespearean play.
Zero physical presence. Tiny catch radius.
Blah.

02-17-2021, 05:43 AM
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1480347	What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2 Spoiler alert! Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem. Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy. Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds Top 2 options Targets - 212 Rec - 148 Yards - 2064 Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds Top 2 options Targets - 273 Rec - 209 Yards - 2502 Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds Top 2 options Targets - 193 Rec - 135 Yards - 1846 Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds Top 2 options Targets - 198 Rec - 135 Yards - 2059 New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds Top 2 options Targets - 189 Rec - 144 Yards - 1482 Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds Top 2 options Targets - 188 Rec - 116 Yards - 1470 Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds Top 2 options Targets - 261 Rec - 183 Yards - 2357 Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds Top 2 options Targets - 164 Rec - 99 Yards - 1391 Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds Top 2 options Targets - 227 Rec - 155 Yards - 2092 Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option : Targets - 62 Receptions - 41 Yards - 530 Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined : Targets - 212 Receptions - 147 Yards - 1918 This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option Targets - 62 (62 avg) Receptions - 41 (41 avg) Yards - 560 (530 avg) Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined Targets - 280 (most in group) Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group) Yards - 2692 (most in group) So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats. TLDR; Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time. PS: Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs. PSS: **ing Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games! PSSS: **ing MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.
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