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**petegz28** · 09:46 PM

As much as some don't want to admit or accept it, the fact is that the high-flying offense we have seen the last few years is gone for the moment. But we can change that if we force teams to defend something else.

1. Run the ball more. DW and Gore should be active in running and catching out of the backfield. Gore has patients and vision that CEH does not.

2. Take the shorter passes first and check down to the deeper pass. Quit waiting to see if someone deep will open up. Dink-dunk.

3. Patience. We ran the ball one drive for almost the entire drive and scored a TD. Next drive we never ran the ball once and punted.

The simple fact is teams are daring us to run the ball and play the short game betting that we either won't stick with it or will **** ourselves. If we quit turning over the ball the rest we can do.

Once we win a few games running the ball and playing ball control then teams will have no choice to start bringing more players down into the box and then we can go back to tearing shit up in the air.

Until then, 6 or 7 in the box should be run or dink-dunk with some PA pass. The RPO stuff might have to take a bit of a backseat for a bit.

**cdcox** · 11-01-2021, 10:11 PM

You know which teams run more than pass? The ones who have crappy QBs. If I were an opposing defensive coordinator and the Chiefs ran 50% of the time you would wonder how the opposing coach could hand you such a gift. Andy has to solve the opposing defenses through the air. If "the scheme" is so good to be able to shut down the Chiefs of all teams, why aren't all teams running the scheme against all opponents, with scoring down across the league? The Chiefs offensive braintrust is missing some opportunities for easy yardage in the passing game. We won't right the offense without being able to impose our will on opposing defenses through the air.

**petegz28** · 11-01-2021, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

You know which teams run more than pass? The ones who have crappy QBs. If I were an opposing defensive coordinator and the Chiefs ran 50% of the time you would wonder how the opposing coach could hand you such a gift. Andy has to solve the opposing defenses through the air. If "the scheme" is so good to be able to shut down the Chiefs of all teams, why aren't all teams running the scheme against all opponents, with scoring down across the league? The Chiefs offensive braintrust is missing some opportunities for easy yardage in the passing game. We won't right the offense without being able to impose our will on opposing defenses through the air.

You are missing the forests for the trees.....

If teams play us as they are now the answer is run the ball more. You run the ball against 6 and 7 in the box. If they bring a player up then you go over the top.

It's hard to go deep and vertical when the defense is playing to take that away and the only gift we are handing them is refusing to take what they do give us.

-King- · 11-01-2021, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

You know which teams run more than pass? The ones who have crappy QBs. If I were an opposing defensive coordinator and the Chiefs ran 50% of the time you would wonder how the opposing coach could hand you such a gift. Andy has to solve the opposing defenses through the air. If "the scheme" is so good to be able to shut down the Chiefs of all teams, why aren't all teams running the scheme against all opponents, with scoring down across the league? The Chiefs offensive braintrust is missing some opportunities for easy yardage in the passing game. We won't right the offense without being able to impose our will on opposing defenses through the air.

Guess which QB is crappy right now...

JakeF · 11-01-2021, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

You know which teams run more than pass? The ones who have crappy QBs. If I were an opposing defensive coordinator and the Chiefs ran 50% of the time you would wonder how the opposing coach could hand you such a gift. Andy has to solve the opposing defenses through the air. If "the scheme" is so good to be able to shut down the Chiefs of all teams, why aren't all teams running the scheme against all opponents, with scoring down across the league? The Chiefs offensive braintrust is missing some opportunities for easy yardage in the passing game. We won't right the offense without being able to impose our will on opposing defenses through the air.

Mahomes is not playing well right now, need to rebuild his confidence.

When Mahomes is dominating we can go back to throwing the ball 60 times.

Hammock Parties · 11-01-2021, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

DW had 19 touches for 112 all-purpose yards tonight

Gore had 11 carries for 48 yards

That's 160 yards of offense out of your 2 RB's alone.

30 touches for 160 yards and one TD is not much to write home about dude.

A real RB would be killing these Cover 2 looks.

These guys are lucky to get 4 YPC against a bad defense.

No, no, and triple no. Going full Martyball with elite skill positions on the outside is a recipe for disaster.

Every time one of these dumptruck backs gets the ball on a run the defense KNOWS it is a run going up the middle unless it is perfectly blocked on the outside.

You are brain dead on this shit.

KC_Connection · 11-01-2021, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Guess which QB is crappy right now...

The funny thing is that most teams (like the Giants for instance) would kill to have a QB who even performed on the level Mahomes did today. There are some very bad starting QBs in the NFL. Quite a few really.

**BossChief** · 11-01-2021, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

We can't run it much more than we ran it tonight.

Gore and Darrel just aren't good enough for that. Barely 4 YPC as it is.

Stop dreaming of a game where our running backs carry it 30+ times. That is bad news if we try that.

You’re wrong.

This offenses effective balance is a power run game with play action. All of the OL are road graders and we struggle blocking the edge. Probably in the neighborhood of 55-45 pass to run.

The WRs outside of Hill and Kelce are bad at getting open and making plays. None of them are weapons as traditional route running receivers. Hardman runs fast and is a weapon as an extension of the running game, but struggles making an impact in other areas.

Josh Gordon isn’t keeping anyone up at night to scheme against.

So have Hill and Kelce as the receiving threats more and run the ball out of double tight more. This OL is a far better run blocking unit than pass blocking one and Pat is great at PA. Force teams to stop our running game more.

Brown doesn’t get exposed as much and gets to wear down his man. Same goes for Niang. That forces teams to bring those safeties down more.

This team isn’t built for long developing pass plays anymore.

**cdcox** · 11-01-2021, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

You are missing the forests for the trees.....

If teams play us as they are now the answer is run the ball more. You run the ball against 6 and 7 in the box. If they bring a player up then you go over the top.

It's hard to go deep and vertical when the defense is playing to take that away and the only gift we are handing them is refusing to take what they do give us.

No one will ever pull a player up to stop the run with PM and cheetah on the same team. I don't care if you have Derrick Henry. Paper cuts are more survival than slashes to the jugular. If you give up the pass to run the ball, no one cares. They already won when you gave up the pass.

-King- · 11-01-2021, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

The funny thing is that most teams (like the Giants for instance) would kill to have a QB who even performed on the level Mahomes did today. There are some very bad starting QBs in the NFL. Quite a few really.

Daniel Jones had the better game.

KC_Connection · 11-01-2021, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Precisely.

This is why we need a more explosive RB back there.

We get someone with speed it will absolutely kill the Cover 2 look, and we can run outside, too.

Right now pounding it up Creed's ass isn't the answer, but butt****ing morons like Pete think it's 1995 and that will work with a bottom 1/4 of the NFL defense backing us up.

Butt****ing morons.

Yes, ultimately running plays with Gore or one of the other random scrub RBs are a win for the defense every time. They know it. It is Andy's job to find a way to scheme his way out of that situation and allow Mahomes to still have an impact on the game despite the coverage he's facing.

**petegz28** · 11-01-2021, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

30 touches for 160 yards and one TD is not much to write home about dude.

A real RB would be killing these Cover 2 looks.

These guys are lucky to get 4 YPC against a bad defense.

No, no, and triple no. Going full Martyball with elite skill positions on the outside is a recipe for disaster.

Every time one of these dumptruck backs gets the ball on a run the defense KNOWS it is a run going up the middle unless it is perfectly blocked on the outside.

You are brain dead on this shit.

Well here is what they stats say, I believe going into tonight

We are 4th in the league in yards per carry

We are 13th in the league in yards per attempt

KC_Connection · 11-01-2021, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Daniel Jones had the better game.

Daniel Jones was and is awful. The few passing yards he got in this game were also on screen plays.

Hammock Parties · 11-01-2021, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

You’re wrong.

This offenses effective balance is a power run game with play action. All of the OL are road graders and struggle blocking the edge.

So we are Marty's Chiefs. 20-17 wins. Take our foot off the gas. Play for the field goal. Neuter the best players on our team. Never run outside because you have no one to run outside.

AWESOME!

**** youself.

PS - You were wrong about the defense. BITCH!

-King- · 11-01-2021, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

No one will ever pull a player up to stop the run with PM and cheetah on the same team. I don't care if you have Derrick Henry. Paper cuts are more survival than slashes to the jugular. If you give up the pass to run the ball, no one cares. They already won when you gave up the pass.

They used to. So you think if Gore is picking up 5+ yards chunks at a time they won't do anything to stop it?

And if it's true that they won't move someone down to stop it, why are you advocating we not do it? Do yards gained rushing count less than yards gained passing or something?

Hammock Parties · 11-01-2021, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Well here is what they stats say, I believe going into tonight

We are 4th in the league in yards per carry

We are 13th in the league in yards per attempt

Brain dead Pete post.

Tell me how the healthy running backs are doing.

Tell me why their average is going up if they get it more and defenses see it coming right up the middle since it never goes anywhere else.

Tell me how many paint chips your mother force fed you.

11-01-2021, 09:40 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1135873	We saw the formula for this offense going forward against the Giants... As much as some don't want to admit or accept it, the fact is that the high-flying offense we have seen the last few years is gone for the moment. But we can change that if we force teams to defend something else. 1. Run the ball more. DW and Gore should be active in running and catching out of the backfield. Gore has patients and vision that CEH does not. 2. Take the shorter passes first and check down to the deeper pass. Quit waiting to see if someone deep will open up. Dink-dunk. 3. Patience. We ran the ball one drive for almost the entire drive and scored a TD. Next drive we never ran the ball once and punted. The simple fact is teams are daring us to run the ball and play the short game betting that we either won't stick with it or will **** ourselves. If we quit turning over the ball the rest we can do. Once we win a few games running the ball and playing ball control then teams will have no choice to start bringing more players down into the box and then we can go back to tearing shit up in the air. Until then, 6 or 7 in the box should be run or dink-dunk with some PA pass. The RPO stuff might have to take a bit of a backseat for a bit. Last edited by petegz28; 11-01-2021 at 09:46 PM..
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cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-608231	You know which teams run more than pass? The ones who have crappy QBs. If I were an opposing defensive coordinator and the Chiefs ran 50% of the time you would wonder how the opposing coach could hand you such a gift. Andy has to solve the opposing defenses through the air. If "the scheme" is so good to be able to shut down the Chiefs of all teams, why aren't all teams running the scheme against all opponents, with scoring down across the league? The Chiefs offensive braintrust is missing some opportunities for easy yardage in the passing game. We won't right the offense without being able to impose our will on opposing defenses through the air.
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