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Old 03-24-2022, 01:51 PM  
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Old 03-25-2022, 10:26 AM   #511
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The incentives won't hit the cap until next year, bud.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...chuster-21804/

He's a FA next year. Even if that were the case, that is less cap next year.

Money has to be paid somewhere.

Looking at the incentives, he's probably hitting 8 easy.
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Old 03-25-2022, 10:28 AM   #512
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He's a FA next year. Even if that were the case, that is less cap next year.

Money has to be paid somewhere.

Looking at the incentives, he's probably hitting 8 easy.
We have a shit ton of cap space next year. It’s inconsequential.
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Old 03-25-2022, 10:31 AM   #513
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He's a FA next year. Even if that were the case, that is less cap next year.

Money has to be paid somewhere.

Looking at the incentives, he's probably hitting 8 easy.
These incentives - if earned - will be paid the following year.

Your argument is about the cap this year and how JuJu+MVS+Clark = what we would've paid Hill this year.

Hence, this is relevant to the argument.
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Old 03-25-2022, 10:31 AM   #514
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We have a shit ton of cap space next year. It’s inconsequential.
It's always consequential. You can maneuver the cap but the $$$ always have to be paid somewhere.
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Old 03-25-2022, 10:32 AM   #515
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These incentives - if earned - will be paid the following year.

Your argument is about the cap this year and how JuJu+MVS+Clark = what we would've paid Hill this year.

Hence, this is relevant to the argument.
Cap dollars next year are still cap dollars. They don't cost less because they are in a different year.
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Old 03-25-2022, 10:33 AM   #516
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Cap dollars next year are still cap dollars. They don't cost less because they are in a different year.
You were talking about THIS YEAR. Now you're talking about next year.

Which is it?
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Old 03-25-2022, 10:33 AM   #517
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It's always consequential. You can maneuver the cap but the $$$ always have to be paid somewhere.
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AND THAT'S WHY VEACH DIDN'T PAY TYREEK HILL
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Old 03-25-2022, 10:34 AM   #518
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I hear you. For me it's a clear loss for the 2022 season, but I had low expectations anyway given our cap situation and what other teams had done to improve. Beyond that if we make some of the right decisions/picks this could be a reset move that sets us up wonderfully for Mahomes Phase 2.0.

The Chiefs clearly didn't go into the offseason with this as their Plan A, but the Adams deal changed things and this is the direction they're going in. And while it sucks to lose Hill, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't quite excited about watching this all play out.

No part of me is ecstatic - I promise!
All good, I reckon that's a good take.
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Cap dollars next year are still cap dollars. They don't cost less because they are in a different year.
Yes, they do. Because the cap goes up each year. So paying a player 10mm in year 1 with the cap at 100mm (10%) is different from paying 10mm in year 5 with the cap at 150mm (6.7%).

And the entire point was that it's difficult to fill out a roster THIS season if we're paying Hill.
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Yes, they do. Because the cap goes up each year. So paying a player 10mm in year 1 with the cap at 100mm (10%) is different from paying 10mm in year 5 with the cap at 150mm (6.7%).

And the entire point was that it's difficult to fill out a roster THIS season if we're paying Hill.
Hill was on the books for 2022 at $21M - highest cap hit for any WR in the league.

He was cost-prohibitive even before his new deal.
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AND THAT'S WHY VEACH DIDN'T PAY TYREEK HILL
Tyreek is still the better value.

The reality contract numbers are 2 years 18 million for MVS and 4 years 95 million for Tyreek. 9mil a year vs. 23 mil a year. If you think Tyreek is at least 2x better than MVS, then he's 100% the right move.

And we would have still gotten juju in this case.

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Tyreek is still the better value.

The reality contract numbers are 2 years 18 million for MVS and 4 years 95 million for Tyreek. 9mil a year vs. 23 mil a year. If you think Tyreek is at least 2x better than MVS, then he's 100% the right move.

And we would have still gotten juju in this case.

It’s amazing that you guys don’t see the real picture here. This was a blessing in disguise if next month goes well
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