Do you trust Veach/Reid to draft WR or DE?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Theoretically, yes. Keep churning thru the WR's and leave it up to Patrick and Andy to make them work.

He gets the big contract. Thems the breaks.

Yup.

This is the reality of having a top of the market QB. And there's no position on the field that a QB can do more to paper over than WR.

If your QB is making 1/4 of your cap and sacrifices have to be made somewhere to address that, then making them at the position where the QB can do the most to gap-fill makes all the sense in the world.

So yeah - you roster churn the position. You keep drafting them through.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yup.

This is the reality of having a top of the market QB. And there's no position on the field that a QB can do more to paper over than WR.

If your QB is making 1/4 of your cap and sacrifices have to be made somewhere to address that, then making them at the position where the QB can do the most to gap-fill makes all the sense in the world.

So yeah - you roster churn the position. You keep drafting them through.

I honestly don't think it makes as much sense as it seems to. If your QB makes 1/4 of your cap, then yes, sacrifices have to me made, but if you have an elite QB just give him every opportunity to continue to be elite, don't ask him to carry everything just because maybe he can.

If you have to make sacrifices then work back from areas you feel have a lower value/impact or where you can develop players like CB and do everything you can to limit any more Frank Clarks.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by JPH83

I honestly don't think it makes as much sense as it seems to. If your QB makes 1/4 of your cap, then yes, sacrifices have to me made, but if you have an elite QB just give him every opportunity to continue to be elite, don't ask him to carry everything just because maybe he can.

If you have to make sacrifices then work back from areas you feel have a lower value/impact or where you can develop players like CB and do everything you can to limit any more Frank Clarks.

In a capped league, he wants the money, these the problems you have.

They obviously have money to spend but you can't just throw it around.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by JPH83

I honestly don't think it makes as much sense as it seems to. If your QB makes 1/4 of your cap, then yes, sacrifices have to me made, but if you have an elite QB just give him every opportunity to continue to be elite, don't ask him to carry everything just because maybe he can.

If you have to make sacrifices then work back from areas you feel have a lower value/impact or where you can develop players like CB and do everything you can to limit any more Frank Clarks.

Well just saying "Draft/develop cheap players and don't spend money on bad ones" is the easy answer, yes.

But let's assume a reasonable amount of draft busts and dead money here.

If you have a 'representative' amount of chaff elsewhere on the roster, you're gonna need to cut corners here and there. It's just the nature of a cap league.

And if/when that is the case, I'm going to do it at WR. Because Patrick Mahomes can't do shit to keep the opposing WR from getting open - but he can throw HIS open. So I'm not going to cut corners on DBs when I don't have a force multiplier that can make them better than they are.

Now if I had Ed Reed back there, I'd tailor my response somewhat. But speaking generally, you have to focus more cap/capital on areas that Mahomes CAN'T directly impact while letting his talent raise the level of those players who play positions he CAN impact.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Well just saying "Draft/develop cheap players and don't spend money on bad ones" is the easy answer, yes.

But let's assume a reasonable amount of draft busts and dead money here.

If you have a 'representative' amount of chaff elsewhere on the roster, you're gonna need to cut corners here and there. It's just the nature of a cap league.

And if/when that is the case, I'm going to do it at WR. Because Patrick Mahomes can't do shit to keep the opposing WR from getting open - but he can throw HIS open. So I'm not going to cut corners on DBs when I don't have a force multiplier that can make them better than they are.

Now if I had Ed Reed back there, I'd tailor my response somewhat. But speaking generally, you have to focus more cap/capital on areas that Mahomes CAN'T directly impact while letting his talent raise the level of those players who play positions he CAN impact.

Sure he can't, but he can put up a mountain of points that puts excessive pressure on the opposing QB and requires them to be perfect. I can see your logic. My perspective is I'd rather ask their QB to be perfect to keep up, rather than ask our QB, as great as he is, to continue to be perfect.

I don't really understand your position on DBs. My understanding was you've been happy with us devoting little resource to it, a position I've come round to.

What do we know about this team? The coaching unit can develop DBs (or at least CBs) to an extent that high draft picks, cap space and trades etc are less essential there. We have a young LB group that has shown a lot of potential and has improved and is currently cheap. We have QB that with elite receiving options is very hard to stay with. We have a DL that is absolutely pathetic.

The gamble you're taking is that Mahomes can continue to make average players great and a better DL gives him back the ball a lot more, my gamble is that continuing to patch up a DL and pair with an elite receiving core is preferable.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by JPH83

Sure he can't, but he can put up a mountain of points that puts excessive pressure on the opposing QB and requires them to be perfect. I can see your logic. My perspective is I'd rather ask their QB to be perfect to keep up, rather than ask our QB, as great as he is, to continue to be perfect.

I don't really understand your position on DBs. My understanding was you've been happy with us devoting little resource to it, a position I've come round to.

What do we know about this team? The coaching unit can develop DBs (or at least CBs) to an extent that high draft picks, cap space and trades etc are less essential there. We have a young LB group that has shown a lot of potential and has improved and is currently cheap. We have QB that with elite receiving options is very hard to stay with. We have a DL that is absolutely pathetic.

The gamble you're taking is that Mahomes can continue to make average players great and a better DL gives him back the ball a lot more, my gamble is that continuing to patch up a DL and pair with an elite receiving core is preferable.

Because it's an easy analogue for comparison's sake. Like you, I'm far more concerned with the DL. But when I'm trying to make a demonstration, I'm going to try to compare apples/apples and when comparing Patricks impact on the offense w/ his relative inability in directly impact the defense, talking secondaries is the cleanest way to do it.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Because it's an easy analogue for comparison's sake. Like you, I'm far more concerned with the DL. But when I'm trying to make a demonstration, I'm going to try to compare apples/apples and when comparing Patricks impact on the offense w/ his relative inability in directly impact the defense, talking secondaries is the cleanest way to do it.

I guess that makes sense. Imo If PM is a force multiplier as you say, and the most significant one on this team, then you give him the best opportunity to multiply resources to the greatest extent. Is any force multiplier on the DL going to be more impactful than QB?

...it's also possible I'm confusing myself talking about force multipliers and that Frank Clark has just made me never want to invest significant money in the DL ever again. Anyway, we disagree I guess.