Do you trust Veach/Reid to draft WR or DE?

[emaw1979]

Everyone is pretty excited and rightfully so to have 6 top 100 draft picks in this incredibly deep draft. Two of our biggest needs are DE and WR and two of the deepest position groups in the draft. This couldn't be more perfect, right?

I'm starting to get a little nervous because this draft may be the difference between setting the franchise up for years of continued success or the end of a mini-dynasty. Given this team's draft history of DE and WR under Reid, I am a little worried. I fully trust them at drafting G/C positions and CBs anywhere in the draft. Their record with QB is pretty dang good as well. It's just CB and pass rush that I'm concerned about with them.


Reid/Dorsey

2013 DE Mike Catapano 7th...throw away pick. 2 Career sacks.
2014 DE Dee Ford. 1st round pick. Played more than 6 games twice in his 8 year career. Had 1 pro bowl season in 2018. Is he considered a bust?
2015 WR Chris Conley 3rd round. Was drafted more on potential. Best season so far for him was in Jacksonville 47/775/5.
2016 WR DeMarcus Robinson 4th...Mr Backwards. Role Player at best.
2016 WR Tyreek Hill 5th. Accidently ran into greatness. Was drafted as KR and the plan was to use him primarily as an RB.
2016 DE Dadi Nicolas 6th...
2017 DE Tanoh Kpass 2nd...bust. I'd have liked to see him with Spags his entire career though instead of the previous cluster ****.
2017 WR Jehu Chesson 4th...

Reid/Veach

2018 DE Beeland Speaks 2nd (traded up for this loser) BUST
2018 WR/CB/KR Tremon Smith 6th...I don't remember if he was CB then they moved him to WR or vice versa.
2019 WR Mecole Hardman 2nd BUST. The guy has all the speed and talent to be a very good WR but skips out on working out with Mahomes in the off-season and never seems to be on the same page as Mahomes.
2020 DE Michael Danna 5th. He plays because they have garbage at DE. Not a starter level but role type player, which is fine for a 5th rounder.
2021 DE Joshua Kaindoh 4th. Can a 4th rounder be a bust? MIA
2021 WR Cornell Powell 5th. Can a 5th rounder be a bust? MIA

Obviously, Reid did draft some good players at those positions in Philly.
DE Derrick Burgess
DE Trent Cole
WR Desean Jackson
WR Jeremy Macklin
WR Jason Avant

[O.city]

Originally Posted by In58men

Obviously, but does it fall on Veach?

Yes. Of course it does.

Pat is the QB. He's not in charge of personnel.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Theoretically, yes. Keep churning thru the WR's and leave it up to Patrick and Andy to make them work.

He gets the big contract. Thems the breaks.

Yup.

This is the reality of having a top of the market QB. And there's no position on the field that a QB can do more to paper over than WR.

If your QB is making 1/4 of your cap and sacrifices have to be made somewhere to address that, then making them at the position where the QB can do the most to gap-fill makes all the sense in the world.

So yeah - you roster churn the position. You keep drafting them through.

[The Franchise]

I'm still hoping that they trade, or swap, picks for Shenault. I think a WR room that consists of Juju, MVS, Shenault, Hardman and a rookie in the first 3 rounds....plus another one late would do just fine.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

I'm still hoping that they trade, or swap, picks for Shenault. I think a WR room that consists of Juju, MVS, Shenault, Hardman and a rookie in the first 3 rounds....plus another one late would do just fine.

You need Inmen to change his avatar.

He says things like "yeah, but is that Veach's fault?" and I think to myself 'man, when did Pest get stupid...' until I look at the actual handle instead of just skimming past the avatar.

[Sassy Squatch]

Of all the potential red flags DK Metcalf had as a prospect, he'd also broken his ****ing neck in October of 2018.

[In58men]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You need Inmen to change his avatar.

He says things like "yeah, but is that Veach's fault?" and I think to myself 'man, when did Pest get stupid...' until I look at the actual handle instead of just skimming past the avatar.

He got the player Mahomes asked for, but okay.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You need Inmen to change his avatar.

He says things like "yeah, but is that Veach's fault?" and I think to myself 'man, when did Pest get stupid...' until I look at the actual handle instead of just skimming past the avatar.

Better?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by In58men

He got the player Mahomes asked for, but okay.

I mean sure - if the GM's job is to just do what his star player says, I guess he should be absolved of any fault if it goes wrong then.

But I'm not entirely sure that's actually his job.

[In58men]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I mean sure - if the GM's job is to just do what his star player says, I guess he should be absolved of any fault if it goes wrong then.

But I'm not entirely sure that's actually his job.

I just asked if it was all his fault because Mahomes had a say in that pick lol.

Never once said Veach wasn’t at fault.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yup.

This is the reality of having a top of the market QB. And there's no position on the field that a QB can do more to paper over than WR.

If your QB is making 1/4 of your cap and sacrifices have to be made somewhere to address that, then making them at the position where the QB can do the most to gap-fill makes all the sense in the world.

So yeah - you roster churn the position. You keep drafting them through.

I honestly don't think it makes as much sense as it seems to. If your QB makes 1/4 of your cap, then yes, sacrifices have to me made, but if you have an elite QB just give him every opportunity to continue to be elite, don't ask him to carry everything just because maybe he can.

If you have to make sacrifices then work back from areas you feel have a lower value/impact or where you can develop players like CB and do everything you can to limit any more Frank Clarks.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by JPH83

I honestly don't think it makes as much sense as it seems to. If your QB makes 1/4 of your cap, then yes, sacrifices have to me made, but if you have an elite QB just give him every opportunity to continue to be elite, don't ask him to carry everything just because maybe he can.

If you have to make sacrifices then work back from areas you feel have a lower value/impact or where you can develop players like CB and do everything you can to limit any more Frank Clarks.

In a capped league, he wants the money, these the problems you have.

They obviously have money to spend but you can't just throw it around.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Rasputin

One I don't think we've seen the best out of CEH but this season will tell the story. I don't believe we picked the wrong running back unless he can't kick the injury prone moniker but i think he can. Everyone underestimates CEH and that's fine he knows it. He admitted coming into camp underweight because he lost wait after his gall bladder surgery during offseason. Ok I'm not making that as an excuse but it probably didn't help him. He did come on strong in the playoffs a lot stronger than Johnathan Taylor how many TD rushing yards he get?

CEH had a hell of a good rookie season and everyone loved him then the next season fumbles the ball for the first time in NFL and he gets dogged on. He wasn't at 100% and coach should have held him out first 6 games.

It wasn't a mistake to pick CEH for our #32 pick he just has to stay healthy but you do the splits getting tackled and see how that feels. He was running over teams in his rookie year and before he got hurt talk of OROTY. So now his third year i have higher expectations and he will come though of course this offensive line it's not going be hard for him to look good when he get to the second wave of tacklers. At the time of the draft RB was our biggest need even if you don't draft running backs in the first round.

This is the kind of play we should expect out of CEH he has it in him just need him for the season.

For starters, RB was absolutely not the Chiefs biggest need heading into the 2020 draft. They really needed another pass rusher and a X WR to replace Watkins. They should have drafted Tee Higgins all day long, he was 100% the best prospect on the board. Yetur Gross-Matos and A.J. Epenesa were also relatively highly thought of pass rushers that were available. All 3 were rated in the top 27 or so players by almost everyone and Higgins above the pass rushers by most.

Clyde wasn't even the 1st RB by almost everyone either and he was 3rd or 4th on plenty of boards. The Chiefs took an enormous shot in the dark on Clyde but he's proven for sure that Higgins should have been the pick and he shouldn't have been the first RB off the board either. At least he looks better than Gross Matos and Epenesa, so there's that, and I was really quite high on Epenesa.

[kccrow]

As for trusting Veach to get a good DE and/or WR, yeah I'm on the fence there. Obviously, we haven't seen him really take anyone high in the draft at those positions. I like Hardman but that's kind of it when it comes to guys at either spot that have been solid or good picks.

His handing a relatively big contract to MVS certainly makes me question things more than his draft history.

All told, I have overall faith in his ability to recognize and acquire talent. So with that, I think he'll do what's necessary and get some good players in the process. He does have a propensity to grab some serious duds in the mix though.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kccrow

As for trusting Veach to get a good DE and/or WR, yeah I'm on the fence there. Obviously, we haven't seen him really take anyone high in the draft at those positions. I like Hardman but that's kind of it when it comes to guys at either spot that have been solid or good picks.

His handing a relatively big contract to MVS certainly makes me question things more than his draft history.

All told, I have overall faith in his ability to recognize and acquire talent. So with that, I think he'll do what's necessary and get some good players in the process. He does have a propensity to grab some serious duds in the mix though.

Scantling's contract isn't actually all that "big".

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by kccrow

As for trusting Veach to get a good DE and/or WR, yeah I'm on the fence there. Obviously, we haven't seen him really take anyone high in the draft at those positions. I like Hardman but that's kind of it when it comes to guys at either spot that have been solid or good picks.

His handing a relatively big contract to MVS certainly makes me question things more than his draft history.

All told, I have overall faith in his ability to recognize and acquire talent. So with that, I think he'll do what's necessary and get some good players in the process. He does have a propensity to grab some serious duds in the mix though.

What is this "big contract" that you speak of?

He basically has an out after the first year if MVS isn't working out in this offense. If he is....then his cap hit in 2023 is $11 million which isn't that big compared to what other WRs are getting.