Do you trust Veach/Reid to draft WR or DE?

[emaw1979]

Everyone is pretty excited and rightfully so to have 6 top 100 draft picks in this incredibly deep draft. Two of our biggest needs are DE and WR and two of the deepest position groups in the draft. This couldn't be more perfect, right?

I'm starting to get a little nervous because this draft may be the difference between setting the franchise up for years of continued success or the end of a mini-dynasty. Given this team's draft history of DE and WR under Reid, I am a little worried. I fully trust them at drafting G/C positions and CBs anywhere in the draft. Their record with QB is pretty dang good as well. It's just CB and pass rush that I'm concerned about with them.


Reid/Dorsey

2013 DE Mike Catapano 7th...throw away pick. 2 Career sacks.
2014 DE Dee Ford. 1st round pick. Played more than 6 games twice in his 8 year career. Had 1 pro bowl season in 2018. Is he considered a bust?
2015 WR Chris Conley 3rd round. Was drafted more on potential. Best season so far for him was in Jacksonville 47/775/5.
2016 WR DeMarcus Robinson 4th...Mr Backwards. Role Player at best.
2016 WR Tyreek Hill 5th. Accidently ran into greatness. Was drafted as KR and the plan was to use him primarily as an RB.
2016 DE Dadi Nicolas 6th...
2017 DE Tanoh Kpass 2nd...bust. I'd have liked to see him with Spags his entire career though instead of the previous cluster ****.
2017 WR Jehu Chesson 4th...

Reid/Veach

2018 DE Beeland Speaks 2nd (traded up for this loser) BUST
2018 WR/CB/KR Tremon Smith 6th...I don't remember if he was CB then they moved him to WR or vice versa.
2019 WR Mecole Hardman 2nd BUST. The guy has all the speed and talent to be a very good WR but skips out on working out with Mahomes in the off-season and never seems to be on the same page as Mahomes.
2020 DE Michael Danna 5th. He plays because they have garbage at DE. Not a starter level but role type player, which is fine for a 5th rounder.
2021 DE Joshua Kaindoh 4th. Can a 4th rounder be a bust? MIA
2021 WR Cornell Powell 5th. Can a 5th rounder be a bust? MIA

Obviously, Reid did draft some good players at those positions in Philly.
DE Derrick Burgess
DE Trent Cole
WR Desean Jackson
WR Jeremy Macklin
WR Jason Avant

[CupidStunt]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I feel like Veach may have got hosed.

Multiple teams wanted MVS. No one wanted the dudes you listed.

Beyond that, MVS' contract is nothing. If they ditch him after year 2 it's 2/18, which is ****ing nothing in this day and age. Are people really so out of touch with contracts in the NFL these days?

When Christian Kirk is getting $18m/year with term, or a rapist out of football for a year is getting $230m guaranteed, how the heck are people worrying about a 2/18 deal for a young, high-upside player.

It can even be treated as a 1/9 deal, with a marginal cap hit. If things go THAT bad. Which they won't. Dude, if the Bills want to move on from Von in a couple years, when he's 35, they'll have a 20m cap hit. That's the type of deal worth worrying about.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Because it's an easy analogue for comparison's sake. Like you, I'm far more concerned with the DL. But when I'm trying to make a demonstration, I'm going to try to compare apples/apples and when comparing Patricks impact on the offense w/ his relative inability in directly impact the defense, talking secondaries is the cleanest way to do it.

I guess that makes sense. Imo If PM is a force multiplier as you say, and the most significant one on this team, then you give him the best opportunity to multiply resources to the greatest extent. Is any force multiplier on the DL going to be more impactful than QB?

...it's also possible I'm confusing myself talking about force multipliers and that Frank Clark has just made me never want to invest significant money in the DL ever again. Anyway, we disagree I guess.

[O.city]

Would you trade 30 for Montez Sweat?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Would you trade 30 for Montez Sweat?

{sigh}

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

Would you trade 30 for Montez Sweat?

No I would draft well and then sign that mother****er next March in FA

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

{sigh}

Originally Posted by RunKC

No I would draft well and then sign that mother****er next March in FA

They're trading one of those picks for a DE. You guys may as well prepare for it.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

They're trading one of those picks for a DE. You guys may as well prepare for it.

Who?

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Who?

He's been saying Josh Allen for a while now.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by CupidStunt

Multiple teams wanted MVS. No one wanted the dudes you listed.

Beyond that, MVS' contract is nothing. If they ditch him after year 2 it's 2/18, which is ****ing nothing in this day and age. Are people really so out of touch with contracts in the NFL these days?

When Christian Kirk is getting $18m/year with term, or a rapist out of football for a year is getting $230m guaranteed, how the heck are people worrying about a 2/18 deal for a young, high-upside player.

It can even be treated as a 1/9 deal, with a marginal cap hit. If things go THAT bad. Which they won't. Dude, if the Bills want to move on from Von in a couple years, when he's 35, they'll have a 20m cap hit. That's the type of deal worth worrying about.

Pretty terrible attempted dig to call me out of touch with contracts.

It's debatable whether or not MVS was in "more demand" than the receivers I listed. You have absolutely no way of knowing that. My point is simple, those receivers, with around equivalent production, have signed for far less.

While some have been signed in line with their actual ability and production, there are a few outliers like Kirk, MVS, and Zay Jones. That doesn't mean the entire market has gone reeruned. Yes, the market is getting more expensive and especially so at the top. Veach, in my opinion, overpaid for what he's getting in lieu of getting a better bargain. Now, that could absolutely work out but let's not pretend he didn't have an equivocally good QB throwing him the football in a similar offense.

Christian Kirk at 18 per actually makes more sense to me than MVS at 10 per. Kirk is younger, has produced more and appears to be on the ascent. I don't think Kirk should be making that either and that the Jags overpaid but Kirk undoubtedly had suitors.

Either way, the only thing we can do is hope he works out and applaud Veach if it does. If it doesn't, well, I'm very prepared for that.

[emaw1979]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

He's been saying Josh Allen for a while now.

I'd love trading for Josh Allen if it's for a 3rd rounder or even a conditional 2nd rounder next year. No way am I giving up a #1 or even a #2 this year.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by emaw1979

I'd love trading for Josh Allen if it's for a 3rd rounder or even a conditional 2nd rounder next year. No way am I giving up a #1 or even a #2 this year.

Yeah because I’m sure the Jags are good with that.

[kccrow]

Why would the Jags trade Josh Allen, for starters, and then why would they do it for a late 2nd or 3rd? No way that happens. If they take Hutchinson, they'll have a really good duo of pass rushers to build that team around.

[emaw1979]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Why would the Jags trade Josh Allen, for starters, and then why would they do it for a late 2nd or 3rd? No way that happens. If they take Hutchinson, they'll have a really good duo of pass rushers to build that team around.

Because he's an underperforming 1st round pick with 1 year remaining on his rookie contract? And if they draft DE, they are heavy at the position.

[RunKC]

I keep hearing about packaging 29 and 30 to move up and I’ve gotta say I think that would be a big mistake. I understand big time players win games but goddamn man. Most of the best playmakers in this league are not high picks.

The #chiefs now have 12 picks in the draft. What are they going to do with them? @baldyNFL believes, and I completely agree, they can be bold and go after certain players with all this ammo. My report on NFL NOW on @nflnetwork pic.twitter.com/rOy5aCt69S

— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) April 13, 2022

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I keep hearing about packaging 29 and 30 to move up and I’ve gotta say I think that would be a big mistake. I understand big time players win games but goddamn man. Most of the best playmakers in this league are not high picks.

The #chiefs now have 12 picks in the draft. What are they going to do with them? @baldyNFL believes, and I completely agree, they can be bold and go after certain players with all this ammo. My report on NFL NOW on @nflnetwork pic.twitter.com/rOy5aCt69S

— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) April 13, 2022

I believe I saw a post somewhere about them possibly being able to package one of 29/30 and also 50 to move up in the first. If they see someone available around middle of the first I could see that being a worthwhile trade. Then maybe try to trade back down from the other 1st to regain an additional 2nd/3rd. I’d like to see some moving around in the draft, both up and down, with all these picks.