Some Quick Things

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

The QB who threw for 450 yards last night is leading the NFL in passing yards per game and is running this offense?

The Chiefs offense has struggled in 5 of 8 games. That's 5 games against AFC opponents where they scored about 21 points per game, excluding Justin Herbert's Pick 6. The only 3 games where the Chiefs offense looked great was against NFC opponents. That's great for a potential Super Bowl matchup against a NFC team, but what about making it through the AFC playoffs? 21 points per game against AFC opponents is a bad trend.

Mahomes, the OL, the RB's, the receivers, and the coaches need to find a way to have much stronger performance in the later part of this season, especially the AFC playoffs. 21 points per game against the likes of Buffalo, Miami, or Cincy is going to prevent you from reaching a Super Bowl. They're damn lucky the Titans had a struggling backup QB or they probably lose that game last night against Tannehill.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DRM08

The Chiefs offense has struggled in 5 of 8 games. That's 5 games against AFC opponents where they scored about 21 points per game, excluding Justin Herbert's Pick 6. The only 3 games where the Chiefs offense looked great was against NFC opponents. That's great for a potential Super Bowl matchup against a NFC team, but what about making it through the AFC playoffs? 21 points per game against AFC opponents is a bad trend.

Mahomes, the OL, the RB's, the receivers, and the coaches need to find a way to have much stronger performance in the later part of this season, especially the AFC playoffs. 21 points per game against the likes of Buffalo, Miami, or Cincy is going to prevent you from reaching a Super Bowl. They're damn lucky the Titans had a struggling backup QB or they probably lose that game last night against Tannehill.

You are reading way too much into the breakdown of what conference the teams are from. They have had tight games against teams that typically play them tight with the exception of the Raiders but it was a division game so they are always a challenge.

The fact is they have the best offense in football so if they are "struggling" they are doing that better than any other team in the NFL.

No they aren't perfect, Mahomes isn't perfect, but usually when they aren't scoring its mostly self inflicted. Last night they just got outplayed up front. Mahomes was pressured 22 times. So that's about 1/3rd of his drop backs and he actually stood in the pocket more than usual.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You are reading way too much into the breakdown of what conference the teams are from. They have had tight games against teams that typically play them tight with the exception of the Raiders but it was a division game so they are always a challenge.

The fact is they have the best offense in football so if they are "struggling" they are doing that better than any other team in the NFL.

No they aren't perfect, Mahomes isn't perfect, but usually when they aren't scoring its mostly self inflicted. Last night they just got outplayed up front. Mahomes was pressured 22 times. So that's about 1/3rd of his drop backs and he actually stood in the pocket more than usual.

"Best offense in football" is like the tallest midget right now. Tom Brady was correct a few weeks ago when he said there's a ton of ugly football being played in the NFL these days. The Chiefs are part of that, with 5 of 8 games being very ugly performances on the offensive side of the ball. Defenses are playing well this year and refs are messing up the flow up the game for many teams. Combine those two factors and it's a lot of ugly football if you aren't a defensive coach/player right now.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DRM08

"Best offense in football" is like the tallest midget right now. Tom Brady was correct a few weeks ago when he said there's a ton of ugly football being played in the NFL these days. The Chiefs are part of that, with 5 of 8 games being very ugly performances on the offensive side of the ball. Defenses are playing well this year and refs are messing up the flow up the game for many teams. Combine those two factors and it's a lot of ugly football if you aren't a defensive coach/player right now.

Dude I'm not trying to homer out here or anything but I just cant keep having a conversation where 5 of 8 games the offense has been shit yet almost halfway through the season KC has the most efficient offense in the NFL and its not even marginally close. The gap between KC and Buffalo (#2) is as big as the gap between Buffalo and the #16 offense.

I mean mother of God those other 3 games were really really really powerful by your argument.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Dude I'm not trying to homer out here or anything but I just cant keep having a conversation where 5 of 8 games the offense has been shit yet almost halfway through the season KC has the most efficient offense in the NFL and its not even marginally close. The gap between KC and Buffalo (#2) is as big as the gap between Buffalo and the #16 offense.

I mean mother of God those other 3 games were really really really powerful by your argument.

Points are the only thing that matter IMHO. 21 points per game in the 5 "struggle" games I mentioned against AFC teams. That low rate of scoring is similar to the 20th best offense in the NFL. They scored over 40 points per game in the 3 strong games against the NFC.

I don't think it's too much to hope for 27-30 points per game against AFC opponents. They are capable of this, but they aren't doing it so far this year. Gotta find a way to be better in the later part of the season against AFC teams, especially the playoffs. Do you think 21 points per game will be good enough in playoff games against teams with explosive offenses like Cincy, Miami, or Buffalo?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Points are the only thing that matter IMHO. 21 points per game in the 5 "struggle" games I mentioned against AFC teams. That low rate of scoring is similar to the 20th best offense in the NFL. They scored over 40 points per game in the 3 strong games against the NFC.

I don't think it's too much to hope for 27-30 points per game against AFC opponents. They are capable of this, but they aren't doing it so far this year. Gotta find a way to be better in the later part of the season against AFC teams, especially the playoffs. Do you think 21 points per game will be good enough in playoff games against teams with explosive offenses like Cincy, Miami, or Buffalo?

The other correlation you could make is the low scoring games have come at home mostly.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The other correlation you could make is the low scoring games have come at home mostly.

Yeah, that's been an interesting trend with the Chiefs for a number of years.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Points are the only thing that matter IMHO. 21 points per game in the 5 "struggle" games I mentioned against AFC teams. That low rate of scoring is similar to the 20th best offense in the NFL. They scored over 40 points per game in the 3 strong games against the NFC.

Do you know what EPA is?

Do you think Buffalo has a better offense? Or Cincy?

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Points are the only thing that matter IMHO....

That's a pretty narrow viewpoint. I mean, sure, in the end points are all that matter. And I've seen that argument made over and over regarding the defense. While true, it ignores a lot of factors. Keeping the ball and driving and accumulating a lot of yards actually helps your own defense.

Still, like you, I would hope that we can figure out how to score 30 points consistently. And frankly, I think this team will get that figured out. We tend to forget that we have several new receivers this year. It takes time. This team struggled through a dry spell on offense in the middle of the season last year, too. The difference was that last year's struggle was worse, IMO. We'll get it figured out, IMO.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Lzen

That's a pretty narrow viewpoint. I mean, sure, in the end points are all that matter. And I've seen that argument made over and over regarding the defense. While true, it ignores a lot of factors. Keeping the ball and driving and accumulating a lot of yards actually helps your own defense.

Still, like you, I would hope that we can figure out how to score 30 points consistently. And frankly, I think this team will get that figured out. We tend to forget that we have several new receivers this year. It takes time. This team struggled through a dry spell on offense in the middle of the season last year, too. The difference was that last year's struggle was worse, IMO. We'll get it figured out, IMO.

Agree that last year was much worse. Mahomes was in a huge slump and eventually dug himself out of it by December & January. Valid point about the new receivers. It was good to see Toney making some plays. I hope he can help them become more consistent as an offense later in the season. Would be nice if Andy could figure out the run game as well. That would make them a lot tougher to stop.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Dude I'm not trying to homer out here or anything but I just cant keep having a conversation where 5 of 8 games the offense has been shit yet almost halfway through the season KC has the most efficient offense in the NFL and its not even marginally close. The gap between KC and Buffalo (#2) is as big as the gap between Buffalo and the #16 offense.

I mean mother of God those other 3 games were really really really powerful by your argument.

It takes a special effort to find shit to worry about these days, but goddamnit if we have to break down splits until we find the Chiefs struggle on offense at home on 3rd and 7+ in the 3rd quarter of prime time games when the other team is playing on a short week, we'll get there.

[Best22]

Originally Posted by DRM08

The Chiefs offense has struggled in 5 of 8 games. That's 5 games against AFC opponents where they scored about 21 points per game, excluding Justin Herbert's Pick 6. The only 3 games where the Chiefs offense looked great was against NFC opponents. That's great for a potential Super Bowl matchup against a NFC team, but what about making it through the AFC playoffs? 21 points per game against AFC opponents is a bad trend.

Mahomes, the OL, the RB's, the receivers, and the coaches need to find a way to have much stronger performance in the later part of this season, especially the AFC playoffs. 21 points per game against the likes of Buffalo, Miami, or Cincy is going to prevent you from reaching a Super Bowl. They're damn lucky the Titans had a struggling backup QB or they probably lose that game last night against Tannehill.

That’s because most of our games against the AFC have been at home, where the offense is less explosive and always has been in the Mahomes era

And I wouldn’t call our offensive effort against the Raiders “a struggle”. 30 points in a comeback win is pretty good

The offense gained 387 yards against the Bills elite defense, but a red zone turnover and a questionable OPI kept us from scoring more points against a great defense

I agree the offense struggled to move the ball and get rhythm against LAC, IND, and TEN.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Best22

That’s because most of our games against the AFC have been at home, where the offense is less explosive and always has been in the Mahomes era

And I wouldn’t call our offensive effort against the Raiders “a struggle”. 30 points in a comeback win is pretty good

The offense gained 387 yards against the Bills elite defense, but a red zone turnover and a questionable OPI kept us from scoring more points against a great defense

I agree the offense struggled to move the ball and get rhythm against LAC, IND, and TEN.

Indy was a road game.

And LAC has Derwin James, who has been hell on us since he came into the league.

[Best22]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Indy was a road game.

And LAC has Derwin James, who has been hell on us since he came into the league.

Yeah Indy was our only bad road performance. Still most AFC teams have gotten us at Arrowhead as of now

SF and TB have better defenses than Indy, we just decided to play flat against the Colts for 60 minutes. We made one too many mistakes and it bit us in the ass

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Best22

That’s because most of our games against the AFC have been at home, where the offense is less explosive and always has been in the Mahomes era

And I wouldn’t call our offensive effort against the Raiders “a struggle”. 30 points in a comeback win is pretty good

The offense gained 387 yards against the Bills elite defense, but a red zone turnover and a questionable OPI kept us from scoring more points against a great defense

I agree the offense struggled to move the ball and get rhythm against LAC, IND, and TEN.

Raiders defense is not good, but the Chiefs offense struggled for 90% of the first half. It was ugly and they were down 17-0 at one point. I didn't like the very end of the game with a 3rd and 3 chance to seal it, and Mahomes blew it with a failed deep ball attempt. Just go for the short yardage throw to get your 3 yards. This opened the door for the Raiders to win it. Luckily Carr also messed up by going for a deep ball on 4th and 1, which led to those Raider guys tripping over each other on their routes.