Josh Allen is Philip Rivers 2.0

[Vegas_Dave]

So watching the Bills lose to the Vikings, it hit me watching Josh Allen on the bench pouting that he is a less mature version of Philip Rivers. This made me go on a stat finding mission to compare Allen to Rivers... and in in order to be fair to the media perception (& to prove what we all already know), compared Mahomes' stats as well.

We all KNOW that Mahomes is better than Allen (and if you don't, please look again). But the next time you have some Bills lover arguing, here are the facts...

Since both Mahomes & Allen have 4.5 years worth of stats to compare, I think its fair... and I grabbed the first 5 full years of Rivers' stats for the comparison. These are all averaged out based on the the actual number of games played (Excel spreadsheet available if anyone wants to double check). Here is what came to be:

# of Games Played for stat comparison:
Rivers: 80 games from 2006 - 2010
Allen: 70 games from 2018 - 2022
Mahomes: 71 from 2018-2022

Completion/Attempt/Comp%/Yards - per Game Average
Rivers: 19.34 / 30.31 / 63.79% / 243.91
Allen: 20.93 / 33.43 / 62.61% / 240.67
Mahomes: 24.97 / 37.69 / 66.26% / 304.83

TD/TD% per Att/Int/Int% per Att - per Game Average
Rivers: 1.69 TD / 5.57% / .71 INT / 2.35%
Allen: 1.76 TD / 5.26% / .81 INT / 2.39%
Mahomes: 2.48 TD / 6.58% / .61 INT / 1.61%

First Down %/Avg Rating/Avg QBR/Sacks/Sack Yds - per Game Average
Rivers: 39.46% / 97.22 Rating / 65.84 QBR / 1.71 sacks / 10.65 sk yds
Allen: 36.54% / 89.84 Rating / 62.16 QBR / 1.94 sacks / 12.37 sk yds
Mahomes: 42.86% / 106.38 Rating / 75.38 QBR / 1.54 sacks / 9.89 sk yds

Josh Allen is a Good QB - but he is NOT Mahomes. He is Philip Rivers 2.0 - but a little less mature in my opinion. Rivers had 2 years of sitting. So Average Age for them is

Rivers: 27
Allen: 24
Mahomes: 25

So maybe we will see Allen mature a little more, but he is no Mahomes.

*all stats compiled from www.pro-football-reference.com

[BWillie]

Josh Allen is an example of why u never go full re tard

[JustDíqLix]

Originally Posted by TEX

Justin Herbert is Phillip Rivers 2.0

Yeah this is a good comparison.

Also I would compare Allen more-so to Brett Fabre. I mean, Favre would do some head scratching dumb shit sometimes. Allen does too.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Just:13

Any idea how they measure on-target?

they watch josh throw the football and tell everyone else "don't do that"

[Vegas_Dave]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Josh Allen is an example of why u never go full re tard

Hahahaha - that's good stuff right there!!!

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by TEX

Justin Herbert is Phillip Rivers 2.0

That seems like the better example. Herbert finds ways to lose games yet gets insane hype. I’m glad the media is ending the ridiculous narrative of trying to slam mahomes. But man, if mahomes wasn’t our qb, any team would be really lucky to have josh Allen as theirs. The more I think about it he will probably be more elway. Being not as good as a qb who will undoubtedly win multiple mvps is nothing to be ashamed of

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Just:13

Yes I mentioned in the post you originally quoted that Allen’s first 2 years drag down any comparison. Then I showed what it looked like in the past 3 seasons. I was very transparent.

The person I originally quoted made the same point (that Allen’s early years will not be an accurate reflection of his play today).

Go away, daquix

[rico]

Phillip Rivers was so freaking funny to have around.

He is WAY more funny than Josh Allen. There’s nothing funny about Josh Allen. He’s just… lame…

[PAChiefsGuy]

Josh Allen is not Philip Rivers 2.0. I don't think it's even that close.

Allen can do a lot of things River's can't. If you can't tell the difference between the two, then you are a biased idiot.

Allen will bounce back. He is too good not to.

[Rainbarrel]

Good for Josh is not the career norm

[crispystl]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Yeah, Steve Young won 3 SBs. And a huge pile of other NFL awards/achievements, including twice named NFL MVP.

Josh Allen has a very long way to go to be on the same level as Steve Young.

Steve Young is criminally underrated.


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[FlaChief58]

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[Vegas_Dave]

Originally Posted by tyecopeland

I'm confused as to why the qb ratings and qbr is so much lower for all of them with their first season removed.

You were correct - I had the math on that still dividing by 5 years instead of the updated 4. I edited original post on the 4 year. Numbers are corrected as follows:

First Down %/Avg Rating/Avg QBR/Sacks/Sack Yds - per Game Average
Rivers: 40.20% / 98.53 Rating / 65.45 QBR / 1.72 sacks / 11.06 sk yds
Allen: 37.92% / 95.33 Rating / 65.25 QBR / 1.86 sacks / 11.26 sk yds
Mahomes: 42.22% / 104.53 Rating / 74.15 QBR / 1.51 sacks / 9.65 sk yds

[PunkinDrublic]

I don’t think it’s fair to pin it all on Allen, I think that whole franchise is wilting under pressure. Whether it’s the decision to bring Allen back prematurely, the OC throwing a hissy fit as time expired, the Bills are pressing themselves into making bad decisions. They should’ve sat Allen, conceded the L to Minnesota and focused on winning divisional games.

[PunkinDrublic]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Josh Allen is not Philip Rivers 2.0. I don't think it's even that close.

Allen can do a lot of things River's can't. If you can't tell the difference between the two then you are a biased idiot.

Allen will bounce back. He is too good not to.

You could make the argument they have the same temperament went things aren’t going well.

[KCUnited]

Allen is just like 3x MVP Brett Favre