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Old 12-05-2022, 11:36 AM   #1
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I saw the All 22 if the Burrow to Higgins that sealed the game...Williams has great coverage and gets his hand in, it's a perfect throw.
How close was Danna to disrupting Burrow when he pulled up?

The replays I saw looked like he could’ve gotten there or at least not allowed Burrow to get much on it.
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Old 12-05-2022, 11:38 AM   #2
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How close was Danna to disrupting Burrow when he pulled up?

The replays I saw looked like he could’ve gotten there or at least not allowed Burrow to get much on it.
Once that roughing the passer penalty happens....our DEs were scared to even breathe on Burrow. You don't want to have a 3rd and 11 at the end of the game end with a 1st down because the refs decided you were to rough on him.
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Old 12-05-2022, 11:38 AM   #3
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How close was Danna to disrupting Burrow when he pulled up?

The replays I saw looked like he could’ve gotten there or at least not allowed Burrow to get much on it.
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Old 12-05-2022, 11:45 AM   #4
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That was an amazing throw. ****.
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Old 12-05-2022, 11:47 AM   #5
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That was an amazing throw. ****.
Not sure what Mike Danna was looking at. He could have disrupted that play with a hit on Burrow. Would have been split second but may have been enough.
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Old 12-05-2022, 11:41 AM   #6
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Butker's done it plenty of times in the past for us so it makes sense, but it's one of those if it works then you don't hear about it. 55 yard field goal isn't a lock, especially in an outdoor stadium, but that's every field goal, it'll either go in or it won't. Basing the game and last drive on it was an issue, if it was a miss before half time then it wouldn't have received the same attention.

I believe that if you play for Field Goals, you play to lose the game, especially in this day and age in the NFL. Andy has always been overly conservative and has never truly been relentless, and attacking all the time. When we won the Super Bowl, Andy would always tell Patrick to keep firing. We need that mentality, let Patrick go crazy and take the good with the bad, rather then losing it conservatively in a non-conservative NFL.
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Old 12-05-2022, 11:43 AM   #7
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Butker's done it plenty of times in the past for us so it makes sense, but it's one of those if it works then you don't hear about it. 55 yard field goal isn't a lock, especially in an outdoor stadium, but that's every field goal, it'll either go in or it won't. Basing the game and last drive on it was an issue, if it was a miss before half time then it wouldn't have received the same attention.

I believe that if you play for Field Goals, you play to lose the game, especially in this day and age in the NFL. Andy has always been overly conservative and has never truly been relentless, and attacking all the time. When we won the Super Bowl, Andy would always tell Patrick to keep firing. We need that mentality, let Patrick go crazy and take the good with the bad, rather then losing it conservatively in a non-conservative NFL.
I don’t think we were playing for FGs. I think we were playing to get the ball back. Credit to the bengals D it took us WAY too long to get to FG range. If we move the ball much quicker a quick FG would’ve been a great play.
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Old 12-05-2022, 11:45 AM   #8
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I don’t think we were playing for FGs. I think we were playing to get the ball back.

Well that was dumb. They couldn't stop the Bengals all day. Why would they think that would suddenly change?
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Old 12-05-2022, 11:59 AM   #9
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Well that was dumb. They couldn't stop the Bengals all day. Why would they think that would suddenly change?
If we make the field goal, then cincy will be more motivated to the attack because they have to score. And our defense can see how it’s going and “gift” them big yards in a pinch. I would guess Andy wanted us to score within 5 minutes. But we dragged out that possession and that hurt us. Once we got close to 3 minutes we hit no man’s land.

Again I would have went for it. But by your logic why would we want cincy to have last possession with almost no shot for us to get the ball back?
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Old 12-05-2022, 12:00 PM   #10
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If we make the field goal, then cincy will be more motivated to the attack because they have to score. And our defense can see how it’s going and “gift” them big yards in a pinch. I would guess Andy wanted us to score within 5 minutes. But we dragged out that possession and that hurt us. Once we got close to 3 minutes we hit no man’s land.

Again I would have went for it. But by your logic why would we want cincy to have last possession with almost no shot for us to get the ball back?
Because we would have the lead, by 4 and they have to go score a TD not kick a fg.
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Because we would have the lead, by 4 and they have to go score a TD not kick a fg.
As opposed to kicking a FG just to tie and giving the Bengals more than enough time to at least get a FG themselves.

Yea, I'm going for that 4th down every single time.
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Because we would have the lead, by 4 and they have to go score a TD not kick a fg.
Assuming we score a TD. And if we go for the TD we practically guarantee cincy touches the ball last where at least in a fg scenario you leave some reasonable hope to get one last offensive possession. The way our defense played yesterday I trusted them to give up a score quickly than I would trust them to protect a 4 point lead with plenty of time left.
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If we make the field goal, then cincy will be more motivated to the attack because they have to score. And our defense can see how it’s going and “gift” them big yards in a pinch. I would guess Andy wanted us to score within 5 minutes. But we dragged out that possession and that hurt us. Once we got close to 3 minutes we hit no man’s land.

Again I would have went for it. But by your logic why would we want cincy to have last possession with almost no shot for us to get the ball back?
Cincy was likely going to have the last possession anyway after that drive… with their ability to move the ball and control the clock… so it would have been better to force them to get a TD to win versus only needing a FG.

That’s the stupidity of Andy Reid’s decision… besides choosing Butker/Toub’s special teams unit over Mahomes, even a made FG there doesn’t put the Chiefs in a solid position to win.
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Cincy was likely going to have the last possession anyway after that drive… with their ability to move the ball and control the clock… so it would have been better to force them to get a TD to win versus only needing a FG.

That’s the stupidity of Andy Reid’s decision… besides choosing Butker/Toub’s special teams unit over Mahomes, even a made FG there doesn’t put the Chiefs in a solid position to win.
I’m with you. I’m just pointing out that the alternative isn’t nearly as rosy as everyone makes it out to be. If we score a td I believe we give up an easy bengals td and we never see the ball again. We probably lose that way too.
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Butker's done it plenty of times in the past for us so it makes sense, but it's one of those if it works then you don't hear about it. 55 yard field goal isn't a lock, especially in an outdoor stadium, but that's every field goal, it'll either go in or it won't. Basing the game and last drive on it was an issue, if it was a miss before half time then it wouldn't have received the same attention.

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Honestly, I think it was very poor situational awareness.

In general this theory makes sense. However the current situation dictated the more aggressive approach. This is not hindsight, you could feel it in the game, live!

Everyone in that stadium and most of us at home knew that even if that FG was good, we were not going to win. Tying that game up with three minutes left to an offense that had moved up and down the field at will would 100% be able to get into FG range and put us away.

The only real shot we had against this particular team in that particular moment was to score a TD, take a little more time off the clock and then hope our D could keep them out of the end zone. Which was possible as we had done it in this game earlier.

Attempting that Field Goal was a death sentence either way. You knew it when it happened.
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