I'm changing my stripes. I have a new plan for the defensive line. - Page 3

Chris Meck · 12-18-2022, 05:11 PM

I say we keep Jonesy, and we load up on DT.

Give me D'aron Payne. Then bring back Saunders and Williams for run downs.

Give me a Smoot, and maybe a Clelin Ferrell reclamation project.

Let's crush the pocket from the middle out.

I'm watching Burrow, and Brady, and the games yesterday, and...man, guys get the ball out QUICK except for Mahomes. Your ends just aren't going to get there fast enough unless you have truly elite speed rushers.

But if you had Payne and Jones; you can't double them both. One of them is getting a one on one and will be in the QB's face immediately.

Then you can go with bigger power rushers outside for containment.

Maybe this is the way.

duncan_idaho · 12-20-2022, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I wouldn't trade for Brian Burns. Why do we have to visit throwing every draft resource we have plus a good chunk of the cap resource we have with these visions of trading for a guy that's going to cost more than two 1sts? Legit he's going to cost no less than two 1's and a 3 and maybe more.

Not a chance.

As for getting speed rushers, there are always plenty of guys at the end of 1 and through the mid-2nd that fit. Felix and McDonald are prime-A examples of guys that probably end up in that range. They aren't great run defenders and are a bit light, but they are fast and regularly threaten the arc. Just take one of those guys.

Our more significant issue right now is needing two pillar positions in one off-season and how to combat that. You absolutely can't do it if you're trading everything away only to pay the guy too.

Ngakoue might not be the perfect solution, but he's ****-all less of a total resource cost than trading for Sweat or Burns or whatever flavor of the day.

I wouldn't trade for Burns, either.

The only trade I'm really considering for a DE guy is either a late round (5-6-7) pick for a reclamation type, or if I'm using Orlando Brown, Jr. as part of the trade capital.

Brown and a 3rd or 4th? Sure, let's talk about it. Otherwise, nah man. Find your own complementary guy.

Do at DE what the Chiefs did at WR this year. Build a complementary room that improves overall even if it doesn't have an alpha star.

O.city · 12-20-2022, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I wouldn't trade for Burns, either.

The only trade I'm really considering for a DE guy is either a late round (5-6-7) pick for a reclamation type, or if I'm using Orlando Brown, Jr. as part of the trade capital.

Brown and a 3rd or 4th? Sure, let's talk about it. Otherwise, nah man. Find your own complementary guy.

Do at DE what the Chiefs did at WR this year. Build a complementary room that improves overall even if it doesn't have an alpha star.

I'm definitely open to that. Think it's probably the better idea.

But it's also not one or the other. If they trade for a guy, I'd look to stock more in there too.

O.city · 12-20-2022, 09:47 AM

You know who would have been nice across from Karlaftis? Hasaan Reddick

DJ's left nut · 12-20-2022, 09:56 AM

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You know who would have been nice across from Karlaftis? Hasaan Reddick

Yeah - that's probably a perfect fit.

I wondered if he'd have the size to play with his hand on the ground, but he's been awfully good this year.

But I think they need to draft that sort of guy rather than pay for him.

O.city · 12-20-2022, 10:01 AM

ZDarius Smith woulda been nice too.

kccrow · 12-20-2022, 10:37 AM

The Chiefs poked around at Arden Key last year and I don't think the Jags re-sign him with their cap situation and other priorities like their RT. He'll probably be relatively high on the Chiefs' radar again.

Omenihu is a Spags' type as well. I don't know if they'll spend lavishly at the position in FA unless someone breaks loose they really like.

I am warming up to the idea of going after Dre'Mont Jones even if they keep Chris Jones. It just might not be that bad of an idea to really go after the QB from the interior as a primary set plus they can morph in and out of 3-man fronts pretty easily.

O.city · 12-20-2022, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

The Chiefs poked around at Arden Key last year and I don't think the Jags re-sign him with their cap situation and other priorities like their RT. He'll probably be relatively high on the Chiefs' radar again.

Omenihu is a Spags' type as well. I don't know if they'll spend lavishly at the position in FA unless someone breaks loose they really like.

I am warming up to the idea of going after Dre'Mont Jones even if they keep Chris Jones. It just might not be that bad of an idea to really go after the QB from the interior as a primary set plus they can morph in and out of 3-man fronts pretty easily.

Might be the best way to go about it. That's alot of coin on the interior DL but it is what it is. They've gotta beef it up somehow.

O.city · 12-20-2022, 10:51 AM

https://overthecap.com/player/carl-lawson/5702

Kinda have my eye on this. He's got a big cap savings and they've gotta get Quinnen Williams done.

If they'd take a 3rd or 4th for him, you could extend him and lower that number.

**The Franchise** · 12-20-2022, 10:54 AM

Are we even sure that Spags gives a shit about a DE with speed at this point?

DJ's left nut · 12-20-2022, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

Are we even sure that Spags gives a shit about a DE with speed at this point?

I'm not, no.

But I'd like to think that witnessing our front 4 this year will disabuse him of some preconceived notions on that front.

RunKC · 12-20-2022, 11:44 AM

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Are we even sure that Spags gives a shit about a DE with speed at this point?

In his 2nd stint as DC for NYG he drafted Owa Odighizuwa in the 3rd rd who was 6’4” 267 lbs with huge hands and long arms. That guy ran a 4.62 40 and had a 3 cone time of 7.36

Seems like he wants those big athletic guys in the JPP mode. Makes sense that we got Carlos Dunlap

poolboy · 12-20-2022, 04:09 PM

If we can command attention on the interior of the DL then total speed off the edge would make them pick their poison

DJ's left nut · 12-20-2022, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by poolboy

If we can command attention on the interior of the DL then total speed off the edge would make them pick their poison

What's critical is that it makes them conscious of both in their game-planning.

It's especially troublesome if you have GK and DE2 swapping sides. Now on any given play, the OT will have to recognize that they have to take different sets based on what they're lining up against.

And in game-planning, opposing OCs know they have to be ready for a deeper, faster rush coming from either side on any given playcall.

kccrow · 12-20-2022, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by poolboy

If we can command attention on the interior of the DL then total speed off the edge would make them pick their poison

It's what makes Philadelphia's defense deadly.

You have Sweat and Reddick both rushing with speed and you have Cox and Hargrave that are both really good at rushing the passer.

Couch-Potato · 12-21-2022, 07:13 AM

George and Jones are solid, we're only missing a couple of key additions to have a really solid DL. I'd consider squashing the whole issue by picking up 1 quality FA and going DE in 1st and DL in the 2nd, or vice versa, in the draft. Problem is you'd have to be pretty confident in our OTs and WRs to feel comfortable putting that kind of focused resources into the DL.

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kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1260000	The Chiefs poked around at Arden Key last year and I don't think the Jags re-sign him with their cap situation and other priorities like their RT. He'll probably be relatively high on the Chiefs' radar again. Omenihu is a Spags' type as well. I don't know if they'll spend lavishly at the position in FA unless someone breaks loose they really like. I am warming up to the idea of going after Dre'Mont Jones even if they keep Chris Jones. It just might not be that bad of an idea to really go after the QB from the interior as a primary set plus they can morph in and out of 3-man fronts pretty easily.
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12-20-2022, 10:51 AM	#38
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-715936	https://overthecap.com/player/carl-lawson/5702 Kinda have my eye on this. He's got a big cap savings and they've gotta get Quinnen Williams done. If they'd take a 3rd or 4th for him, you could extend him and lower that number.
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12-21-2022, 07:13 AM	#45
Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $163065	George and Jones are solid, we're only missing a couple of key additions to have a really solid DL. I'd consider squashing the whole issue by picking up 1 quality FA and going DE in 1st and DL in the 2nd, or vice versa, in the draft. Problem is you'd have to be pretty confident in our OTs and WRs to feel comfortable putting that kind of focused resources into the DL.
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