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Old 12-25-2022, 03:23 PM  
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It seems like the offense has been a lot less dynamic without Hardman. He might be the spark needed going into the playoffs.

I know the accepted narrative here is one that treats Hardman as some sort of JAG. But I really like his freakish athleticism, his playmaking ability, and his unselfishness. He’s still really young and has acted like a kid at times, but I’ve got this nagging feeling that if the light ever comes on he’s gonna be special.

He’s made some really great plays and I love the way he runs in traffic. He doesn’t shift gears. It’s like he’s in variable glide mode.
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Old 12-28-2022, 12:43 PM   #76
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You want to dominate the trenches. That is going to be way more expensive.

By your logic why couldn’t you use the draft to find a RT. Why couldn’t you find a good enough RT instead of the turnstile we have out there now? You’re plenty comfortable throwing lots of money at two tackles. I get that we can’t suck at certain positions like these. But I find it bizarre that we want to throw all our money and resources at positions like this where solid will probably suffice.
The WR pay has exploded, where as the RT hasn't.

It's why teams have gobbled up WR's early in the draft recently.

Yeah, I'd prefer to keep the QB upright and let my HOF HC develop WR's like he's always done in his coaching career.
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Old 12-28-2022, 12:55 PM   #77
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The only way the Chiefs are gonna get a true WR1 is either through the draft, having to get lucky since we always pick so late.

OR trade for one thats on a reasonable salary for a few years, like DeAndre Hopkins.
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Old 12-28-2022, 01:02 PM   #78
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The only way the Chiefs are gonna get a true WR1 is either through the draft, having to get lucky since we always pick so late.

OR trade for one thats on a reasonable salary for a few years, like DeAndre Hopkins.
So would you trade our 1st for Hopkins then let Juju and Hardman walk? We would be top heavy for sure and guys like Watson or some low pick might be seeing the field.
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Old 12-28-2022, 01:13 PM   #79
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I think Hardman and Toney are going to make a huge difference in the playoffs.

Those 2 combined with Playoff Pat could make the offense unstoppable.
They will make the red zone conversion rate go Skyy high!
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No, why would you pay 20 plus million to a mid tier guy? Look at the teams paying these WR"s. They all have 1 thing in common.
Dj moore or terry mclaurin would make this offense way more dangerous than an elite right tackle. Don’t know how that’s even up for debate. An upgrade to a solid RT with a mid tier but true WR1 is way more dangerous than an elite RT and a bunch of WR2s.

Even better because this WR allows you to cut Mvs and save a bunch of money. Any move that takes snaps away from Mvs and Watson is a plus.

And nobody has addressed what this offense looks like when kelce inevitably starts to slow. We will start needing to lean on him less and less.
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The WR pay has exploded, where as the RT hasn't.

It's why teams have gobbled up WR's early in the draft recently.

Yeah, I'd prefer to keep the QB upright and let my HOF HC develop WR's like he's always done in his coaching career.
You don’t need an elite RT to keep mahomes upright. The position is cheap because it’s way easier to fix in the draft. And Reid has a way way better history developing OL than WRs. In fact his history with WRs isn’t great. That’s why umpteen years later and the only drafted WR worth a damn for us is tyreek, who we got on a character issue technicality.
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Old 12-28-2022, 01:46 PM   #82
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The only way the Chiefs are gonna get a true WR1 is either through the draft, having to get lucky since we always pick so late.

OR trade for one thats on a reasonable salary for a few years, like DeAndre Hopkins.
I disagree. Mahomes is good enough to carry a lesser WR1. But we don’t have that. We have speed guys with no size. Size guy like juju with no speed. We need a multidimensional WR as WR1. He doesn’t have to be the cream of the crop. Hell most teams WR2s could easily be our WR1.

At some point that dam will have to bust. The bengals can’t afford to keep Tee and chase. Are the lions really going to keep Jameson AND Amon at brown? Can the chargers afford Williams and Keenan Allen once Herbert gets paid? What about the broncos and jeudy and Sutton?

We can vulture off the bottom. We aren’t desperate to have an elite WR1 carry a bad qb. But we just need a guy who can consistently and reliably match up vs the opponents top DB.

But man let’s all hope justyn Ross makes it easy for us and can actually stay healthy.
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Old 12-28-2022, 02:12 PM   #83
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Dj moore or terry mclaurin would make this offense way more dangerous than an elite right tackle. Don’t know how that’s even up for debate. An upgrade to a solid RT with a mid tier but true WR1 is way more dangerous than an elite RT and a bunch of WR2s.

Even better because this WR allows you to cut Mvs and save a bunch of money. Any move that takes snaps away from Mvs and Watson is a plus.

And nobody has addressed what this offense looks like when kelce inevitably starts to slow. We will start needing to lean on him less and less.
So you want to trade what would likely take a 1st or 2nd round pick to get one of these WR's, then pay them what theyre making.

Mahomes is the force multiplier in the offense. Give him better tackles and let him make some of these "#2's" into production.
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You don’t need an elite RT to keep mahomes upright. The position is cheap because it’s way easier to fix in the draft. And Reid has a way way better history developing OL than WRs. In fact his history with WRs isn’t great. That’s why umpteen years later and the only drafted WR worth a damn for us is tyreek, who we got on a character issue technicality.
Reid has a better history at developing OL than WRs? I mean, are you high?
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Andy has consistently gotten production out of alot of warm bodies at WR.

Going and paying #2s like elite players is what will get you in trouble. The Chiefs are paying the QB salary, they can't afford to get wild like that.
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You also have to look at what's actually available. They can get a really good RT in FA and open up the draft.
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Andy has consistently gotten production out of alot of warm bodies at WR.

Going and paying #2s like elite players is what will get you in trouble. The Chiefs are paying the QB salary, they can't afford to get wild like that.
Paying a WR2 to be a low end WR1 is not irresponsible. And there are plenty of WR2s who are plenty capable of being a WR1 if not in a loaded offense. Guys like tee Higgins, mike Williams, Godwin, courtland Sutton are plenty good. Hell if you want to go even cheaper a Tyler Boyd or Corey Davis are more than sufficient. You can’t tell me those moves don’t make a huge upgrade to our WR room. But we can’t have pure slot WRs or WR2s lining up against CB1s. Get a WR1 and you have way more luxury to fill in the rest with warm bodies. I love juju but he isn’t WR1. Sadly. Despite what the market looks like the WR market is going to get way more crowded than you think. Several QBs getting huge contracts, several getting the wrecking ball this year.

That is simply insane to have the best qb in the world and demanding he carry a bunch of warm body WRs. And yeah, Reid has not been particularly great at drafting high on WR1s. For every desean and tyreek you have a million FredExes and mecoles.

I’m talking 1 WR. You’re talking about two trenches with 9 players.
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You also have to look at what's actually available. They can get a really good RT in FA and open up the draft.
If the idea is to wait it out for the WR market to have more options fine. But it can’t be a long term strategy.
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Don't care about next year and all the blah, blah, blah. Is Hardman ready to go this week? Is he going to be activated and playing?
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Once he signed the contract and is making the money he is, that die was cast. Sorry, but you can't pay for everything.
If you aren't paying OBJ and Frank Clark anymore you DO have the money to buy a #1 WR.

Eventually Kelce will decline. It WILL happen. We take Kelce for granted. Once that occurs which may start to happen next year...you WILL need a #1 WR. Pay the money or trade up and get one.
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