If fully healthy, this could be the greatest offense we've ever watched

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He's overcorrected, IMO.

You just can't overthrow a guy with a full stride and give them no chance, so he started underthrowing them a bit.

Then you have folks (it's a hobby on CP) blaming the pass catcher for not "Going up and getting the ball!"

Fellas, there have been a half-dozen guys in NFL history that can do that. Hill could. But there's a reason 'Mossed' became a verb. That shit is RARE. You're asking a guy who's running on a dead sprint with his momentum taking him downfield to simply go straight up, turn his body and secure a catch with a guy coming downhill into his lap.

The simple act of stopping and going straight up is essentially impossible for all but the absolute elite of the elite. The rest need to decelerate, gather and then explode. MVS can't do that because he's not Tyreek Hill. If you underthrow him, he's not going to catch it. And it's not something that he 'needs to do!' - it's something that he physically CANNOT do because he's not a goddamn freak of nature.

Ok, and then there's plays like the non-call DPI from Saturday, in which MVS wilted like a delicate flower with relatively minor contact.

Our WR's can def be stronger at the point of attack. That's not a part of MVS or Hardman's game.

So yes, we CAN ask our pass catchers to do more to help Mahomes out. Because yeah, Mahomes isn't always the most accurate down the field.

It's the entire reason why i argue against these small catch radius WR's.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Ok, and then there's plays like the non-call DPI from Saturday, in which MVS wilted like a delicate flower with relatively minor contact.

Our WR's can def be stronger at the point of attack. That's not a part of MVS or Hardman's game.

So yes, we CAN ask our pass catchers to do more to help Mahomes out. Because yeah, Mahomes isn't always the most accurate down the field.

It's the entire reason why i argue against these small catch radius WR's.

MVS doesn't have a small catch radius. He runs downfield routes that require full speed movement and exceptionally high levels of momentum. That guy is long and fast with big arms and good leaping ability. He doesn't have a small catch radius - he simply has a low probability route tree.

He's not a low variance player. He's not a possession WR. If he were, with his frame and speed, he'd be Julio Jones.

He's not that guy because he doesn't have the freakish body control that Julio Jones had. So let's just stop acting like he should be.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

MVS doesn't have a small catch radius. He runs downfield routes that require full speed movement and exceptionally high levels of momentum. That guy is long and fast with big arms and good leaping ability. He doesn't have a small catch radius - he simply has a low probability route tree.

He's not a low variance player. He's not a possession WR. If he were, with his frame and speed, he'd be Julio Jones.

He's not that guy because he doesn't have the freakish body control that Julio Jones had. So let's just stop acting like he should be.

Im not acting like he should be Julio Jones, lol.

No, he's not a possession WR. Agreed.

I agree, he runs a low probability route tree.

I agree, he doesn't have freaky body control.

I'm not asking him to be anything more than what he is. Again, i like MVS. ****, i said, and still believe, he's a better talent than JuJu.

I want MVS on this roster moving forward. Hell, i wanna retain Hardman too.

I think they're fine in their respective roles.

What i'm asking for is someone with the physicality to win contested catches, while still having the speed to challenge vertically that can compliment those guys.

A JuJu that can run?

A Sammy Watkins that can stay healthy?

A George Pickens, even????

I'm not asking for the sun and the moon here.

MY position, is that we need to get more out of JuJu's position.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Im not acting like he should be Julio Jones, lol.

No, he's not a possession WR. Agreed.

I agree, he runs a low probability route tree.

I agree, he doesn't have freaky body control.

I'm not asking him to be anything more than what he is. Again, i like MVS. ****, i said, and still believe, he's a better talent than JuJu.

I want MVS on this roster moving forward. Hell, i wanna retain Hardman too.

I think they're fine in their respective roles.

What i'm asking for is someone with the physicality to win contested catches, while still having the speed to challenge vertically that can compliment those guys.

A JuJu that can run?

A Sammy Watkins that can stay healthy?

A George Pickens, even????

I'm not asking for the sun and the moon here.

MY position, is that we need to get more out of JuJu's position.

Most of those guys you are wanting or talked about earlier, well.....they got drafted pretty early.

Mike Williams, etc.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Im not acting like he should be Julio Jones, lol.

No, he's not a possession WR. Agreed.

I agree, he runs a low probability route tree.

I agree, he doesn't have freaky body control.
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MY position, is that we need to get more out of JuJu's position.

I don't disagree with any of this.

I'm taking exception only to this idea that he's not getting those balls because he's not trying. And that he 'just needs to go get those balls' as though there's just some switch to flip.

There isn't.

Oh, and then there's the idea that we'd be better off with Dropmarcus or Skrownwhatever because 'he catches balls above his head' or whatever other such nonsense is being spewed.

The hyperbole surrounding MVS is just ridiculous.