BJ Ojulari vs Derick Hall - Page 3

kccrow · 02-14-2023, 09:22 PM

BJ Ojulari (6'3" 244, age 20) or Derick Hall (6'3" 251, age 21)

I prefer Hall but I've seen a few guys on Ojulari. I think it's relatively close.

Ojulari Stats

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Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Solo	Ast	Tot	Loss	Sk	Int	Yds	Avg	TD	PD	FR	Yds	TD	FF
2020	LSU	SEC	FR	LB	8	12	4	16	5.0	4.0	0	0		0	1	1			1
*2021	LSU	SEC	SO	DE	12	31	23	54	12.0	7.0	0	0		0	1	0			0
*2022	LSU	SEC	JR	DE	11	34	24	58	8.5	5.5	0	0		0	0	1	0	0	1

Hall Stats

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Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Solo	Ast	Tot	Loss	Sk	Int	Yds	Avg	TD	PD	FR	Yds	TD	FF
*2019	Auburn	SEC	FR	LB	7	9	4	13	1.5	0.0	0	0		0	0	0			0
*2020	Auburn	SEC	SO	LB	8	16	5	21	4.0	4.0	0	0		0	0	0			1
*2021	Auburn	SEC	JR	LB	13	33	19	52	12.5	9.0	0	0		0	0	0			2
2022	Auburn	SEC	SR	DL	12	41	19	60	11.5	6.5	1	19	19.0	0	0	1	0	0	2

Ojulari Highlights:

Hall Highlights:

O.city · 02-27-2023, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Hall is more turnkey, no question. And on the surface fits the scheme better sooner.

I'm operating under the belief that Clark is back next year and if so, I think you can afford to grab someone that's a little rougher around the edges but who I feel has more ceiling. Especially with the 5th year option in tow.

It's riskier than Hall but I think Ojulari could be a true blue chipper where I'm not sure I see that as much in Hall.

I'm of the opinion anymore that defense is more about having as many just good solid players who are smart and can play as a unit vs having the elite guys.

I'd love to have a real war daddy across from Karlaftis, but taking a swing there could burn you if Ojulari just doesn't develop. I dunno, kinda like Ballards' style of just keep stacking singles and doubles kinda thing.

Especially when I have what I have at HC and QB. I just need competency and I'll let my DC sort it out.

DJ's left nut · 02-27-2023, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I'm of the opinion anymore that defense is more about having as many just good solid players who are smart and can play as a unit vs having the elite guys.

I'd love to have a real war daddy across from Karlaftis, but taking a swing there could burn you if Ojulari just doesn't develop. I dunno, kinda like Ballards' style of just keep stacking singles and doubles kinda thing.

Especially when I have what I have at HC and QB. I just need competency and I'll let my DC sort it out.

Sure - wholly defensible stance.

I just think you need complementary talents and I think Karlaftis/Ojulari are guys who's respective skill-sets dovetail so nicely.

Though I do have to point out that you're the guy who JUST said "don't you get worried about all these complementary pieces - don't you need a force multplier somewhere". Hell, it may have been in this very thread.

Pick a lane, bro.

O.city · 02-27-2023, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Sure - wholly defensible stance.

I just think you need complementary talents and I think Karlaftis/Ojulari are guys who's respective skill-sets dovetail so nicely.

Though I do have to point out that you're the guy who JUST said "don't you get worried about all these complementary pieces - don't you need a force multplier somewhere". Hell, it may have been in this very thread.

Pick a lane, bro.

I think you do at some point, but I think so much bleeds over from the one we have at QB......I just need competent guys.

If you can get Hall to come in and be......what......Trey Hendrickson or Bud Dupree upside wise....I'm taking that.

I'll swing at a freaky athlete that needs some seasoning later maybe.

I also am in the camp that Hall's upside is being undersold a bit. I think he will be really really good.

O.city · 03-01-2023, 10:07 AM

I've settled on Hall. I really like him.

Any chance the DE from KSU makes it to our 3rd round pick? I wouldn't mind doubling up there.

staylor26 · 03-01-2023, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I've settled on Hall. I really like him.

Any chance the DE from KSU makes it to our 3rd round pick? I wouldn't mind doubling up there.

I mean, there's a chance he doesn't even make it to 31 (though he should), so no.

O.city · 03-01-2023, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I mean, there's a chance he doesn't even make it to 31 (though he should), so no.

The Kstate DE? I thought he was a 2nd/3rd rounder.

staylor26 · 03-01-2023, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The Kstate DE? I thought he was a 2nd/3rd rounder.

No, he's more of a late 1st to mid 2nd depending on who you listen to. Daniel Jeremiah has him going 30 in his latest mock for example.

DJ's left nut · 03-01-2023, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

No, he's more of a late 1st to mid 2nd depending on who you listen to. Daniel Jeremiah has him going 30 in his latest mock for example.

Really? The Uzomah kid?

Man, I'm not seeing that. I just don't see a standout area for him. Not incredibly long, not terribly quick off the ball, only okay bend, not really heavy.

I mean I guess he's a 4-3 DE, but I see him almost as a poor man's Karlaftis in a lot of ways. He's fairly strong but mostly he just looks to be a high motor guy with okay athleticism.

That looks like a late 2nd, early 3rd rounder to me.

O.city · 03-01-2023, 11:03 AM

Yeah, that seems super high to me.

Any chance Ojulari makes it to our 2nd rounder?

DJ's left nut · 03-01-2023, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, that seems super high to me.

Any chance Ojulari makes it to our 2nd rounder?

Nope.

Too scheme diverse. You can bulk him up a bit and use him in a 4-3 or keep him where he is and use him in a 3-4.

So he'll be on everyone's draft board.

A real slide requires someone be 2nd on a lot of boards and simply not be on several others. I think you'll only see that for DL that are specific to odd or even fronts.

Chris Meck · 03-01-2023, 07:05 PM

I'm suddenly feeling like there are several guys in that late first to late second that have some juice at DE.

DJ's left nut · 03-01-2023, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I'm suddenly feeling like there are several guys in that late first to late second that have some juice at DE.

Likewise.

I think it's where we end up going. There are going to be choices we like there and I'm not sure that's the case at WR or OT.

Hyatt vs Ojulari would be an awfully tough call for me. I think I'd lean into Hyatt having an absolutely elite tool (speed) and hope I can get a reasonable facsimile to Ojulari/Hall in the 2nd.

In case of a tie, take the guy with a top 1% tool. Hyatts speed is that.

Stryker · 03-01-2023, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I'm suddenly feeling like there are several guys in that late first to late second that have some juice at DE.

I am with you but I voted for Hall - better choice in this scenario.

raybec 4 · 03-01-2023, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

No, he's more of a late 1st to mid 2nd depending on who you listen to. Daniel Jeremiah has him going 30 in his latest mock for example.

I would be shocked if he went in the 1st.

JPH83 · 03-02-2023, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Really? The Uzomah kid?

Man, I'm not seeing that. I just don't see a standout area for him. Not incredibly long, not terribly quick off the ball, only okay bend, not really heavy.

I mean I guess he's a 4-3 DE, but I see him almost as a poor man's Karlaftis in a lot of ways. He's fairly strong but mostly he just looks to be a high motor guy with okay athleticism.

That looks like a late 2nd, early 3rd rounder to me.

I think he's gone by the mid 2nd. The bend and get off alone, but he's also refined in his plans. Sounds like he's making waves in interviews too. He looks quite different to Karlaftis to me. Not as strong but imo his bend is way better than OK.

The knock on him is really only how he's held up when kicked inside. I reckon there's a team before our 2nd pick that doesn't care.

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03-01-2023, 10:07 AM	#34
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03-01-2023, 11:03 AM	#39
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03-01-2023, 07:05 PM	#41
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