Veach and Reid have a template to compete each year

[BigRedChief]

They are using a Bellicheck/Brady modified version they used to sustain success.

Basics:

• Elite QB
• Great O-line
• JAG and or FA value WR's and RB's
• Solid Defense
• Good kicking game

Discipline

• Move up in the draft to get "your" guy despite what the points say
• Leverage the success to encourage and work with older and cheaper FA vets seeking a ring offering one year contracts.
• Don't give 3rd contracts to your guys over 30. No matter how good they are currently.

Seems obvious to me. What say you?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by JPH83

I think last year I was in lock-step with you on the preference to focus on the offense and in particular WRs. I thought our WR room looked pretty dog-sh**, and yet, they got it done. So it's hard for me to go down the same route, especially as they HAVE drafted 2 2nd round WRs and we need to see what we have.

BUT...I am an offense first guy. Even if Rice is excellent, Toney is elite and healthy and Moore steps up, I'm probably still looking for more weapons at SOME point in the draft. If we have anything less than that I'm probably going early again. We know Mahomes can win it all with one elite receiver and a lot of OK, but I really want to make sure we keep that one elite option available.

That is where I’m at too. Reid and mahomes and kelce are so good that it covers up a lot of warts. But I also feel like it’s made us complacent with accepting we couldn’t be a lot better. Simply by having reasonable success on the swings we take. And when we leave spots hanging, I still don’t feel overly comfortable filling the back end of our DBs for example when we have issues at the front end of some of our offensive spots. But yeah of course we have a hell of a team and a hell of an offense. That doesn’t mean they’re beyond reproach.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

On receiver we did not which is why we let tyreek loose with zero viable in house options. At OT we swung and we missed. We did the same thing at interior OL and we were fine with flinging mahomes behind a leaky dam until it ultimately burst. After it was on fire, yeah we did a good job addressing it.

They had an OL with Fisher, Schwartz in 2020.

The Fire was the Sb when everyone got hurt. Well, yeah...no shit.

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

On receiver we did not which is why we let tyreek loose with zero viable in house options. At OT we swung and we missed. We did the same thing at interior OL and we were fine with flinging mahomes behind a leaky dam until it ultimately burst. After it was on fire, yeah we did a good job addressing it.

Granted it appears that we could have had DK Metcalf instead instead of Hardman 2019 but teams also took Isabella, Whiteside and Paris Cambell in between so we could be a lot worse off.


2021 missing on Clyde instead of Higgens hurt some.


Think the jury still out on Moore (whether better then Pickens) and obviously Rice. Watson GB looks good but we would have had to take him over Karlaftis or McDuffie.

So bottom line they took some swings at Wr. Have not hit a home run but they have spent some capitol on the offense. I think they have done a good job of letting the talent in the draft dictate the picks and you can always go back and Monday morning QB the picks but for the most part theey have done pretty well for picking pretty much at the end of teach round every year. The end of the first your never guaranteed a starter and so you really have to take the best available guy that has a chance to play significant snaps for you.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Considering they've played in the most important game in all of sports 3 times in the last 4 years, I'd say whatever they're doing is working. Maybe they're not doing it the way we would but I'd say they've earned the benefit of the doubt.

Scoreboard.
Guarantee you other teams are going to try their version of it too.

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Can't believe CP is actually on board with building up the Chiefs in the Patriot's Way.

it’s not exactly the same. A Veach twist to their template. Bellicheck moved down in the draft. Veach moves up. Bottom line.. Results matter. And the results are fantastic.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The JAG WR theory will get tested if/when Kelce begins to see a decline in his production due to age.

Thats the next crisis for sure. Not just the production but being So close to Mahomes. His security blanket. He’ll have to learn the new version of the offense. We couldn’t wing it deep with double teams and cover 2. Had to throw it short. Right into Kelce’s wheelhouse.

Who knows what they do when he retires in two years? He’s got a future in media. Make plenty of money, bang supermodels and no one is looking to take his head off. But, that time ain’t next year. The SB train is still on the rails.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

They had an OL with Fisher, Schwartz in 2020.

The Fire was the Sb when everyone got hurt. Well, yeah...no shit.

Revisionist history. Our interior OL was a mess and the middle was getting pushed into him time after time again.

[jjchieffan]

I'm confused. We just won the Superbowl for the 2nd time in 4 years. Been there 3 times, won the AFC West 7 straight times and hosted the AFCCG 5 straight times and we have someone in here complaining about talent development??? I mean, what does it take to make this guy happy? The Chiefs are the best team in the league and Veach is regarded as a top GM as well. This just blows me away that with a resume like that, that this guy has the nerve to think that he knows better than our front office. SMH.

[Chris Meck]

It's unrealistic to demand that all positions have an excellent, proven starter along with a young talented player behind them at all times.

This is absurd. Wringing hands about 2024 is silly. As always, some younguns will surprise, some things that look shaky in May will turn out to be strengths, and some things that look strong on paper will need shoring up.

Each year, we'll say goodbye to good players, and hello to new ones.

And each year, we will be serious contenders for the Super Bowl. You have to draft well, and you have to play the kids to develop them.

Mahomes plus best 52. This is the way.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jjchieffan

I'm confused. We just won the Superbowl for the 2nd time in 4 years. Been there 3 times, won the AFC West 7 straight times and hosted the AFCCG 5 straight times and we have someone in here complaining about talent development??? I mean, what does it take to make this guy happy? The Chiefs are the best team in the league and Veach is regarded as a top GM as well. This just blows me away that with a resume like that, that this guy has the nerve to think that he knows better than our front office. SMH.

Nobody is saying the sky is falling. We are allowed to like things but not agree with everything. We are only one year into the new mahomes era. In the coming years we will better see how everything plays out with kelce and our new cap. This isn’t just about some opinions on talent development. We’ve gutted our tackles and WRs many times including this year and most of these guys were not at all coveted in the open market. So I’m guessing they also understand they haven’t done a great job to date for these positions.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

It's unrealistic to demand that all positions have an excellent, proven starter along with a young talented player behind them at all times.

This is absurd. Wringing hands about 2024 is silly. As always, some younguns will surprise, some things that look shaky in May will turn out to be strengths, and some things that look strong on paper will need shoring up.

Each year, we'll say goodbye to good players, and hello to new ones.

And each year, we will be serious contenders for the Super Bowl. You have to draft well, and you have to play the kids to develop them.

Mahomes plus best 52. This is the way.

I don’t think anything said is unfair or untrue.

At defense we have put a lot of effort and done good work to not only set all our starters, we have a lot of depth too.

On offense we have had low quality play at both Tackles and a big question mark around 1 this year. At WR for 5 years we did not bring in a single prospect who could even compete for WR3 let alone WR1. So now we are setting that lineup largely on potential vs having guys actually set. It is very fair to say we’ve done great on defense but have not set our offense yet.

Mahomes/Reid/kelce can and have covered warts. I don’t think that needs to be an excuse to be complacent. Like I said maybe wanya and rice and skyy finally fix these gaps. But they are gaps where we need to move from bandaids to solutions.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don’t think anything said is unfair or untrue.

At defense we have put a lot of effort and done good work to not only set all our starters, we have a lot of depth too.

On offense we have had low quality play at both Tackles and a big question mark around 1 this year. At WR for 5 years we did not bring in a single prospect who could even compete for WR3 let alone WR1. So now we are setting that lineup largely on potential vs having guys actually set. It is very fair to say we’ve done great on defense but have not set our offense yet.

Mahomes/Reid/kelce can and have covered warts. I don’t think that needs to be an excuse to be complacent. Like I said maybe wanya and rice and skyy finally fix these gaps. But they are gaps where we need to move from bandaids to solutions.

Why in the world would you think it's complacency?

They can't afford a bunch of expensive free agents, which means they need to draft and develop talent. Like first rounder Toney (for a third) Skyy, Rice are second rounders. That's three high draft picks in twelve months. How is that complacent? And Ritchie caught almost 60 balls from Danny Dimes for ****'s sake.

We added THREE OT's in the past two months. Two of them veterans. That's not insignificant.

We had a big hole at DE, we added Omenihu, drafted Felix in the first, and took Thompson late. That's not ignoring the issue.

What do you expect exactly? There's nothing complacent here.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Why in the world would you think it's complacency?

They can't afford a bunch of expensive free agents, which means they need to draft and develop talent. Like first rounder Toney (for a third) Skyy, Rice are second rounders. That's three high draft picks in twelve months. How is that complacent? And Ritchie caught almost 60 balls from Danny Dimes for ****'s sake.

We added THREE OT's in the past two months. Two of them veterans. That's not insignificant.

We had a big hole at DE, we added Omenihu, drafted Felix in the first, and took Thompson late. That's not ignoring the issue.

What do you expect exactly? There's nothing complacent here.

Curious myself on the answer.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I gave you guys and Virch the blueprint a couple years ago.

1) Draft Defense, priority. The reason is you want young fast fresh legs that are reactive to the moves of the offensive players.

2) support your offense through Free Agency mostly. Those guys will know what to do, they follow the game plan and don't have to rely on being reactionary to other player so much.

3) Use your top two picks to get stars , whether they are on O or D.

Satisfy your CAP issues by drafting the high paying positions, especially on D. Edge and CB

Veach has listened to my words.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Why in the world would you think it's complacency?

They can't afford a bunch of expensive free agents, which means they need to draft and develop talent. Like first rounder Toney (for a third) Skyy, Rice are second rounders. That's three high draft picks in twelve months. How is that complacent? And Ritchie caught almost 60 balls from Danny Dimes for ****'s sake.

We added THREE OT's in the past two months. Two of them veterans. That's not insignificant.

We had a big hole at DE, we added Omenihu, drafted Felix in the first, and took Thompson late. That's not ignoring the issue.

What do you expect exactly? There's nothing complacent here.

When I say complacent, that means we are putting our first and second priority on building the defense. And our strategy on offense appears to be asking mahomes to elevate second wave talent. We saw a hole at DB last year so we’ve spent SIX draft picks in 2 years on DB. And that includes a trade up for a first round CB… so technically eight picks. We saw a hole at DE so we used TWO first picks on a DE. So three first round picks and 11 picks in 2 years on DB and DL. Yeah, I’d say that’s effort.

We walked into last season knowing juju was our WR1. This is after 5 years of flat out ignoring WR. When we lost tyreek we had literally nobody who could even step into a WR3 role. Yeah we’ve spent a lot of picks. Because we HAD to fill THREE WR spots and technically 5. Two years in a row we’ve replaced the majority of our WR room.

We walked into last season settling for Wylie at RT. And don’t tell me that niang and kinnard represents “effort.” This year we are walking into camp with Donovan ****ing smith at LT. which is a glaring lack of confidence in niang and kinnard. And it was done because there is understandably concerns about throwing a third round pick out there right away to protect mahomes. Especially given that the last 2 RTs we drafted were busts.

And while we’re at it, Pacheco was a brilliant pick but it also came with luck. Because we waited 7 rounds to take him. We were content to have CEH start for us last year too.

So yeah… we have a complete defense. And for 2 years in a row we have glaring question marks at critical offense skill positions. One of them is vital to keeping our qb upright. Turning over the entire room every year is not a sign of effort. It’s a sign that what we’ve done in the past hasn’t worked. I’m not saying it won’t work, but let’s stop using the excuse that mahomes and Reid to elevate talent to sugarcoat that we need to do better at addressing those two positions. Much better. And yeah, i grade that as more important than falling a few spots on defense because we god forbid have a single hole in it.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

When I say complacent, that means we are putting our first and second priority on building the defense. And our strategy on offense appears to be asking mahomes to elevate second wave talent. We saw a hole at DB last year so we’ve spent SIX draft picks in 2 years on DB. And that includes a trade up for a first round CB… so technically eight picks. We saw a hole at DE so we used TWO first picks on a DE. So three first round picks and 11 picks in 2 years on DB and DL. Yeah, I’d say that’s effort.

We walked into last season knowing juju was our WR1. This is after 5 years of flat out ignoring WR. When we lost tyreek we had literally nobody who could even step into a WR3 role. Yeah we’ve spent a lot of picks. Because we HAD to fill THREE WR spots and technically 5. Two years in a row we’ve replaced the majority of our WR room.

We walked into last season settling for Wylie at RT. And don’t tell me that niang and kinnard represents “effort.” This year we are walking into camp with Donovan ****ing smith at LT. which is a glaring lack of confidence in niang and kinnard. And it was done because there is understandably concerns about throwing a third round pick out there right away to protect mahomes. Especially given that the last 2 RTs we drafted were busts.

And while we’re at it, Pacheco was a brilliant pick but it also came with luck. Because we waited 7 rounds to take him. We were content to have CEH start for us last year too.

So yeah… we have a complete defense. And for 2 years in a row we have glaring question marks at critical offense skill positions. One of them is vital to keeping our qb upright. Turning over the entire room every year is not a sign of effort. It’s a sign that what we’ve done in the past hasn’t worked. I’m not saying it won’t work, but let’s stop using the excuse that mahomes and Reid to elevate talent to sugarcoat that we need to do better at addressing those two positions. Much better. And yeah, i grade that as more important than falling a few spots on defense because we god forbid have a single hole in it.

Except that's a load of hooey.

A Toney trade ( first round pick), Skyy (2nd round pick), Rice (2nd round pick), Morris (3rd), all acquired in the last 12months. Creed, Niang, Clyde all early picks. Struck gold late with Smith and Pacheco. Taylor the big ticket FA.

We invested in defense because it was needed, just like WR, and just like OT. We're paying Mahomes nearly 20% of our cap. Most significant investment is going to be via the draft.

Your premise is so off, I can't believe you believe it yourself. You might think you'd have chosen different players, or in a different order, but to act like they're sitting on their hands is nonsense.