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Old 08-29-2023, 12:24 PM   #1
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Tell me anything you actually know about this guy other than he came from the Raiders. I can't wait for your "real conversation".
#1 Its not really my point. Thanks to Jones KC is making this deal. Thats my biggest frustration. So its not as much the deal as the why.

#2 If the guy is anything special he would not be dealt by the Raiders to a division opponent.
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Old 08-29-2023, 12:26 PM   #2
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#1 Its not really my point. Thanks to Jones KC is making this deal. Thats my biggest frustration. So its not as much the deal as the why.

#2 If the guy is anything special he would not be dealt by the Raiders to a division opponent.
We weren't exactly stacked at the position even WITH Jones. This guy was a 2022 4th round pick, so we have him on his rookie contract for 3 years. I know nothing about him, but was expecting us to make some moves to help the position. Thought we'd be settling for guys at the cutdown.
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Old 08-29-2023, 12:28 PM   #3
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We weren't exactly stacked at the position even WITH Jones. This guy was a 2022 4th round pick, so we have him on his rookie contract for 3 years. I know nothing about him, but was expecting us to make some moves to help the position. Thought we'd be settling for guys at the cutdown.
Agree. That may be the reason. Hope you are on to something.
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Old 08-29-2023, 12:30 PM   #4
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#1 Its not really my point. Thanks to Jones KC is making this deal. Thats my biggest frustration. So its not as much the deal as the why.

#2 If the guy is anything special he would not be dealt by the Raiders to a division opponent.
JFC, you daft ****, Jones and Farrell play different positions. "Thanks to Jones KC is making this deal" is a stupid ****ing comment. As for #2, there is plenty of recent evidence that the Raiders are dumb as **** when it comes to dealing talent. Look no further than getting rid of Carr to bring in Jimmy Grapes as a prime example.
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Old 08-29-2023, 12:55 PM   #5
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JFC, you daft ****, Jones and Farrell play different positions. "Thanks to Jones KC is making this deal" is a stupid ****ing comment. As for #2, there is plenty of recent evidence that the Raiders are dumb as **** when it comes to dealing talent. Look no further than getting rid of Carr to bring in Jimmy Grapes as a prime example.
Thanks for your kind words and educating me. Good for you.
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Old 08-29-2023, 01:00 PM   #6
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JFC, you daft ****, Jones and Farrell play different positions. "Thanks to Jones KC is making this deal" is a stupid ****ing comment. As for #2, there is plenty of recent evidence that the Raiders are dumb as **** when it comes to dealing talent. Look no further than getting rid of Carr to bring in Jimmy Grapes as a prime example.
In all actuality once Jones is gone the Chiefs may carry 4 NT types and shift DE's inside when they want pass rush out of the spot.
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Old 08-29-2023, 01:09 PM   #7
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In all actuality once Jones is gone the Chiefs may carry 4 NT types and shift DE's inside when they want pass rush out of the spot.
I don’t see why it would be 4.

The nt types would
Be used first down and sometimes second and almost never third.

You’d really need a lot of de for this type of scheme and maybe 2-3 legit nt fatties
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I don’t see why it would be 4.

The nt types would
Be used first down and sometimes second and almost never third.

You’d really need a lot of de for this type of scheme and maybe 2-3 legit nt fatties
Because ends like Jones are extremely difficult to find, the idea is to stuff the middle no matter what.
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Old 08-29-2023, 01:44 PM   #9
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Because ends like Jones are extremely difficult to find, the idea is to stuff the middle no matter what.
Yup.

Could just be indicative of a scheme shift. You don't replace Chris Jones - he's pretty much a unicorn.

Instead you just clog the shit out of the middle, tell them to shove their asses off, use 2 to occupy 3 and give yourselves a numbers advantage.

You may see some twists/curls with LBs off the edge, but in this scenario, I can't imagine you'll be seeing many interior stunts, etc...

Without Jones, you don't try to do the same thing with a guy who ISN'T Jones. You just do a new thing. That new thing may just be 3 NTs and a guy like Wharton or Dana who can sub in as a NASCAR DT and then you just hope your edge rushers are developing.

Man, they're asking a LOT from FAU at the moment. And they sure seem to be leaning into Karlaftis as a 10 sack guy.
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Yup.

Could just be indicative of a scheme shift. You don't replace Chris Jones - he's pretty much a unicorn.

Instead you just clog the shit out of the middle, tell them to shove their asses off, use 2 to occupy 3 and give yourselves a numbers advantage.

You may see some twists/curls with LBs off the edge, but in this scenario, I can't imagine you'll be seeing many interior stunts, etc...

Without Jones, you don't try to do the same thing with a guy who ISN'T Jones. You just do a new thing. That new thing may just be 3 NTs and a guy like Wharton or Dana who can sub in as a NASCAR DT and then you just hope your edge rushers are developing.

Man, they're asking a LOT from FAU at the moment. And they sure seem to be leaning into Karlaftis as a 10 sack guy.
This is kinda why this whole Jones thing just seems so out of left field.

With him in the fold, you've got 3 really good chess pieces to move around with FAU, Karlaftis and Omenihu. You've got the new kid they drafted this year to develop as well.

Then this happens. It seems like a real blindsided them kinda thing cause they defense has been really built around him.
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Yup.

Could just be indicative of a scheme shift. You don't replace Chris Jones - he's pretty much a unicorn.

Instead you just clog the shit out of the middle, tell them to shove their asses off, use 2 to occupy 3 and give yourselves a numbers advantage.

You may see some twists/curls with LBs off the edge, but in this scenario, I can't imagine you'll be seeing many interior stunts, etc...

Without Jones, you don't try to do the same thing with a guy who ISN'T Jones. You just do a new thing. That new thing may just be 3 NTs and a guy like Wharton or Dana who can sub in as a NASCAR DT and then you just hope your edge rushers are developing.

Man, they're asking a LOT from FAU at the moment. And they sure seem to be leaning into Karlaftis as a 10 sack guy.
You mean you don't employ Pellom McDaniels as the Falcon?
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