Kudos to Veach and the OL

[Sassy Squatch]

From @NextGenStats: Patrick Mahomes has faced the lowest pressure rate of his career this season (25.4%).

— Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) September 27, 2023

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

But but but JC Jackson!

Umm Joe Thuney!

See, he didn't completely waste every single draft pick they had! They don't all suck!

What always got me was how if they had a UDFA turn into a solid player people acted like that made up for bad picks...no it doesn't, this is why your depth sucks.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Lets have that discussion in the past 5 years who has been a worse GM that is still employed...this is gonna be a tough list. And just because Belichick the coach can make it look passable doesn't make it ok.

George Paton got ****ed in the ass worse than any GM in recent memory over Russ. Pete and his friends went in dry and are still laughing their way to the bank on that one. He's also not drafted really anyone notable besides Surtain.

Martin Mayhew decided overpaying for Carson Wentz was a good idea and now they're rolling with Howell, who sucks.

Ryan Poles and Scott Fitterer are absolutely getting fired over that trade bc CJ Stroud looks like he's gonna be a rock solid QB at worst. And they both had the assets to get him. Like staylor said, the QB means everything, but Bill didn't have the 1st overall pick bc his teams are never that bad.
I also have a Bryce Young thread in the draft forum about how ridiculous it was for Fitterer to draft a QB that is 5'10 180 lbs. did I mention that Bryce Young is already hurt?

Do I even need to continue with guys like Chris Ballard who was such a pussy about drafting a QB until his owner forced him to?

And we sure as hell know Andrew Berry is getting fired for that outrageous Watson deal. It's so bad that they are looking at a way to void gauranteed money.

You could easily throw in Joe Douglas whose team has only looked even average bc he has layup top draft picks like Quinnen Williams and Garrett Wilson.
Oh wait...what about Zach Wilson?

Bill is very overrated, but he's not a bottom 5 GM

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by O.city

I do think putting Andy and Pat on any team in the league is gonna be a real force multiplier for the GM>

Right. That HC-QB of this caliber is going to do a LOT of heavy lifting.

Originally Posted by staylor26

Not because of BB the GM.

Because of BB the HC. Of course you don't even need Reid. As great as Reid is, a defensive wizard like BB would be the ultimate pairing with Pat.

That's why BB is a bit overrated. Him and Brady are different from Reid and Mahomes because BB is a ****ing defensive wizard, and he knows offensive football well enough to always have an adequate OC (as long as he had a great QB like Brady).

Andy and Pat have nothing to do with the defense.

That's why getting Spags and him and Veach having that same synergy that Veach and Andy have has been so important.

If we had BB running the defense, we wouldn't have to put so many resources into it. I love Spags, but he's not BB. Nobody is. That guy can have a good defense every single year.

Again, it's impossible to have this argument because you can't se the difference between Belichick the HC and the GM. You think it's all the same, when it's not.

So you agree that putting JUST Mahomes there would make them contenders? That’s with BelichickGM, a HOF coach in BelichickHC, and all of these garbage drafts you keep talking about?

How can you think that but not think that we might have enjoyed similar success if we simply brought BelichickGM here where he would still have Mahomes, a HOF HC in Reid, Kelce, Tyreek Hill, Chris Jones, Eric Fisher, Mitchell Schwartz, Kareem Hunt, Dee Ford, Justin Houston, etc.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RunKC

George Paton got ****ed in the ass worse than any GM in recent memory over Russ. Pete and his friends went in dry and are still laughing their way to the bank on that one. He's also not drafted really anyone notable besides Surtain.

Martin Mayhew decided overpaying for Carson Wentz was a good idea and now they're rolling with Howell, who sucks.

Ryan Poles and Scott Fitterer are absolutely getting fired over that trade bc CJ Stroud looks like he's gonna be a rock solid QB at worst. And they both had the assets to get him. Like staylor said, the QB means everything, but Bill didn't have the 1st overall pick bc his teams are never that bad.
I also have a Bryce Young thread in the draft forum about how ridiculous it was for Fitterer to draft a QB that is 5'10 180 lbs. did I mention that Bryce Young is already hurt?

Do I even need to continue with guys like Chris Ballard who was such a pussy about drafting a QB until his owner forced him to?

And we sure as hell know Andrew Berry is getting fired for that outrageous Watson deal. It's so bad that they are looking at a way to void gauranteed money.

You could easily throw in Joe Douglas whose team has only looked even average bc he has layup top draft picks like Quinnen Williams and Garrett Wilson.
Oh wait...what about Zach Wilson?

Bill is very overrated, but he's not a bottom 5 GM

A team ****ing up a pick is not the same as going 15 years without a good draft.

I'd also argue that if Chicago does tank into 2 top 3 picks, which they could, this will all be forgotten.

No one will care about this if they can hire a competent HC for Caleb Williams and Harrison JR and then flip Fields to like Atlanta.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

George Paton got ****ed in the ass worse than any GM in recent memory over Russ. Pete and his friends went in dry and are still laughing their way to the bank on that one. He's also not drafted really anyone notable besides Surtain.

Martin Mayhew decided overpaying for Carson Wentz was a good idea and now they're rolling with Howell, who sucks.

Ryan Poles and Scott Fitterer are absolutely getting fired over that trade bc CJ Stroud looks like he's gonna be a rock solid QB at worst. And they both had the assets to get him. Like staylor said, the QB means everything, but Bill didn't have the 1st overall pick bc his teams are never that bad.
I also have a Bryce Young thread in the draft forum about how ridiculous it was for Fitterer to draft a QB that is 5'10 180 lbs. did I mention that Bryce Young is already hurt?

Do I even need to continue with guys like Chris Ballard who was such a pussy about drafting a QB until his owner forced him to?

And we sure as hell know Andrew Berry is getting fired for that outrageous Watson deal. It's so bad that they are looking at a way to void gauranteed money.

You could easily throw in Joe Douglas whose team has only looked even average bc he has layup top draft picks like Quinnen Williams and Garrett Wilson.
Oh wait...what about Zach Wilson?

Bill is very overrated, but he's not a bottom 5 GM

Those guys have all drafted pretty well and have some good moves along with it.

Bill should have been fired a while ago.

[ThaVirus]

Why is dude talking about Josh McDaniels anyway? Lol. He’s like one of the worst head coaches of all time. Any team left in his hands would instantly crumble.

[O.city]

Berry has built a legitimate top 3 defense and has a good OL around Watson.

Watson just sucks.

[Mecca]

I'm going to start in 2010, tell me how many of these Pats drafts are good...a lot of them get F's in my view.

2010
Devin McCourty | Round 1, Pick 27
DB, Rutgers
Rob Gronkowski | Round 2, Pick 42
TE, Arizona
Jermaine Cunningham | Round 2, Pick 53
LB, Florida
Brandon Spikes | Round 2, Pick 62
LB, Florida
Taylor Price | Round 3, Pick 90
WR, Ohio
Aaron Hernandez | Round 4, Pick 113
TE, Florida
Zoltan Mesko | Round 5, Pick 150
P, Michigan
Ted Larsen | Round 6, Pick 205
C, North Carolina State
Thomas Welch | Round 7, Pick 208
T, Vanderbilt
Brandon Deaderick | Round 7, Pick 247
DE, Alabama
Kade Weston | Round 7, Pick 248
DT, Georgia
Zac Robinson | Round 7, Pick 250
QB, Oklahoma State

2011
Nate Solder | Round 1, Pick 17
T, Colorado
Ras-I Dowling | Round 2, Pick 33
DB, Virginia
Shane Vereen | Round 2, Pick 56
RB, California
Stevan Ridley | Round 3, Pick 73
RB, LSU
Ryan Mallett | Round 3, Pick 74
QB, Arkansas
Marcus Cannon | Round 5, Pick 138
T, TCU
Lee Smith | Round 5, Pick 159
TE, Marshall
Markell Carter | Round 6, Pick 194
LB, Central Arkansas
Malcolm Williams | Round 7, Pick 219
DB, TCU

2012
Chandler Jones | Round 1, Pick 21
DE, Syracuse
Dont’a Hightower | Round 1, Pick 25
LB, Alabama
Tavon Wilson | Round 2, Pick 48
DB, Illinois
Jake Bequette | Round 3, Pick 90
DE, Arkansas
Nate Ebner | Round 6, Pick 197
DB, Ohio State
Alfonzo Dennard | Round 7, Pick 224
DB, Nebraska
Jeremy Ebert | Round 7, Pick 235
WR, Northwestern

2013
Jamie Collins | Round 2, Pick 52
LB, Southern Miss
Aaron Dobson | Round 2, Pick 59
WR, Marshall
Logan Ryan | Round 3, Pick 83
DB, Rutgers
Duron Harmon | Round 3, Pick 91
DB, Rutgers
Josh Boyce | Round 4, Pick 102
WR, TCU
Michael Buchanan | Round 7, Pick 226
DE, Illinois
Steve Beauharnais | Round 7, Pick 235
LB, Rutgers

2014
Dominique Easley | Round 1, Pick 29
DT, Florida
Jimmy Garoppolo | Round 2, Pick 62
QB, Eastern Illinois
Bryan Stork | Round 4, Pick 105
C, Florida State
James White | Round 4, Pick 130
RB, Louisiana
Cameron Fleming | Round 4, Pick 140
T, Stanford
Jon Halapio | Round 6, Pick 179
OL, Florida
Zach Moore | Round 6, Pick 198
DE, Concordia-St.Paul (MN)
Jemea Thomas | Round 6, Pick 206
DB, Georgia Tech
Jeremy Gallon | Round 7, Pick 244
WR, Michigan

2015
Malcom Brown | Round 1, Pick 32
DT, Texas
Jordan Richards | Round 2, Pick 64
S, Stanford
Geneo Grissom | Round 3, Pick 97
DE, Oklahoma
Trey Flowers | Round 4, Pick 101
DE, Arkansas
Tre’ Jackson | Round 4, Pick 111
G, Florida State
Shaq Mason | Round 4, Pick 131
C, Georgia Tech
Joe Cardona | Round 5, Pick 166
LS, Navy
Matthew Wells | Round 6, Pick 178
LB, Mississippi State
A.J. Derby | Round 6, Pick 202
TE, Arkansas
Darryl Roberts | Round 7, Pick 247
CB, Marshall
Xzavier Dickson | Round 7, Pick 253
OLB, Alabama

2016
Cyrus Jones | Round 2, Pick 60
CB, Alabama
Joe Thuney | Round 3, Pick 78
G, North Carolina State
Jacoby Brissett | Round 3, Pick 91
QB, North Carolina State
Vincent Valentine | Round 3, Pick 96
DT, Nebraska
Malcolm Mitchell | Round 4, Pick 112
WR, Georgia
Kamu Grugier-Hill | Round 6, Pick 208
OLB, Eastern Illinois
Elandon Roberts | Round 6, Pick 214
ILB, Houston
Ted Karras | Round 6, Pick 221
G, Illinois
Devin Lucien | Round 7, Pick 225
WR, Arizona State

2017
Derek Rivers | Round 3, Pick 83
DE, Youngstown State
Antonio Garcia | Round 3, Pick 85
T, Troy
Deatrich Wise Jr. | Round 4, Pick 131
DE, Arkansas
Conor McDermott | Round 6, Pick 211
T, UCLA

2018
Isaiah Wynn | Round 1, Pick 23
T, Georgia
Sony Michel | Round 1, Pick 31
RB, Georgia
Duke Dawson | Round 2, Pick 56
CB, Florida
Ja’Whaun Bentley | Round 5, Pick 143
ILB, Purdue
Christian Sam | Round 6, Pick 178
ILB, Arizona State
Braxton Berrios | Round 6, Pick 210
WR, Miami (FL)
Danny Etling | Round 7, Pick 219
QB, LSU
Keion Crossen | Round 7, Pick 243
CB, Western Carolina
Ryan Izzo | Round 7, Pick 250
TE, Florida State

2019
N’Keal Harry | Round 1, Pick 32
WR, Arizona State
Joejuan Williams | Round 2, Pick 45
CB, Vanderbilt
Chase Winovich | Round 3, Pick 77
DE, Michigan
Damien Harris | Round 3, Pick 87
RB, Alabama
Yodny Cajuste | Round 3, Pick 101
T, West Virginia
Hjalte Froholdt | Round 4, Pick 118
G, Arkansas
Jarrett Stidham | Round 4, Pick 133
QB, Auburn
Byron Cowart | Round 5, Pick 159
DT, Maryland
Jake Bailey | Round 5, Pick 163
P, Stanford
Ken Webster | Round 7, Pick 252
CB, Mississippi

2020
Kyle Dugger | Round 2, Pick 37
S, Lenoir-Rhyne
Josh Uche | Round 2, Pick 60
LB, Michigan
Anfernee Jennings | Round 3, Pick 87
LB, Alabama
Devin Asiasi | Round 3, Pick 91
TE, UCLA
Dalton Keene | Round 3, Pick 101
TE, Virginia Tech
Justin Rohrwasser | Round 5, Pick 159
K, Marshall
Michael Onwenu | Round 6, Pick 182
G, Michigan
Justin Herron | Round 6, Pick 195
T, Wake Forest
Cassh Maluia | Round 6, Pick 204
LB, Wyoming
Dustin Woodard | Round 7, Pick 230
C, Memphis

2021
Mac Jones | Round 1, Pick 15
QB, Alabama
Christian Barmore | Round 2, Pick 38
DL, Alabama
Ronnie Perkins | Round 3, Pick 96
DE, Oklahoma
Rhamondre Stevenson | Round 4, Pick 120
RB, Oklahoma
Cameron McGrone | Round 5, Pick 177
LB, Michigan
Joshuah Bledsoe | Round 6, Pick 188
S, Missouri
William Sherman | Round 6, Pick 197
OL, Colorado
Tre Nixon | Round 7, Pick 242
WR, Central Florida

2022
Cole Strange | Round 1, Pick 29
OL, Chattanooga
Tyquan Thornton | Round 2, Pick 50
CB, Baylor
Marcus Jones | Round 3, Pick 85
CB, Houston
Jack Jones | Round 4, Pick 121
DB, Arizona State
Pierre Strong | Round 4, Pick 127
RB, South Dakota State
Bailey Zappe | Round 4, Pick 137
QB, Western Kentucky
Kevin Harris | Round 6, Pick 183
RB, South Carolina
Sam Roberts | Round 6, Pick 200
DT, NW Missouri State
Chasen Hines | Round 6, Pick 210
G, LSU
Andrew Stueber | Round 7, Pick 245
OL, Michigan

2023
Christian Gonzalez | Round 1, Pick 17
CB, Oregon
Keion White | Round 2, Pick 41
DL, Georgia Tech
Marte Mapu | Round 3, Pick 76
S/LB, Sacramento State
Jake Andrews | Round 4, Pick 107
OL, Troy
Chad Ryland | Round 4, Pick 112
K, Maryland
Sidy Sow | Round 4, Pick 117
G, Eastern Michigan
Atonio Mafi | Round 5, Pick 144
G, UCLA
Kayshon Boutte | Round 6, Pick 187
WR, LSU
Bryce Baringer | Round 6, Pick 192
P, Michigan State
Demario Douglas | Round 6, Pick 210
WR, Liberty
Ameer Speed | Round 6, Pick 214
CB, Michigan State
Isaiah Bolden | Round 7, Pick 245
CB, Jackson State

[Sassy Squatch]

He's honestly probably not far off from being fired. He's at the same point Reid was at during the final years in Philly, making arrogantly stupid moves out of spite and hubris just to prove they knew best.

[O.city]

I'd say 17 on sucked.

Before that they were all pretty solid ish.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Mecca

A team ****ing up a pick is not the same as going 15 years without a good draft.

I'd also argue that if Chicago does tank into 2 top 3 picks, which they could, this will all be forgotten.

No one will care about this if they can hire a competent HC for Caleb Williams and Harrison JR and then flip Fields to like Atlanta.

I'd rather go 15 years with average drafts acknowledging my team hasn't been bad enough to draft a top end QB than having the #1 pick and watching us trade it to someone else while the Texans look like they have an actual future while we have Justin ****ing Fields.

This is about current GM's and Ryan Poles better pack his bags bc his goddamned ass is getting fired. There's zero chance he survives this shit.

The worst thing you can do as a GM is give away your future to a non-performing QB by trading valuable draft picks and paying them a huge contract. Bill may not be good but he's not that ****ing stupid.

And yes I'd rather have Bill than Ballard. Say what you want but at least Bill had the balls to draft a 1st rd QB before his owner and the fans pressured him to do it.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm going to start in 2010, tell me how many of these Pats drafts are good...a lot of them get F's in my view.

2010
Devin McCourty | Round 1, Pick 27
DB, Rutgers
Rob Gronkowski | Round 2, Pick 42
TE, Arizona
Jermaine Cunningham | Round 2, Pick 53
LB, Florida
Brandon Spikes | Round 2, Pick 62
LB, Florida
Taylor Price | Round 3, Pick 90
WR, Ohio
Aaron Hernandez | Round 4, Pick 113
TE, Florida
Zoltan Mesko | Round 5, Pick 150
P, Michigan
Ted Larsen | Round 6, Pick 205
C, North Carolina State
Thomas Welch | Round 7, Pick 208
T, Vanderbilt
Brandon Deaderick | Round 7, Pick 247
DE, Alabama
Kade Weston | Round 7, Pick 248
DT, Georgia
Zac Robinson | Round 7, Pick 250
QB, Oklahoma State

2011
Nate Solder | Round 1, Pick 17
T, Colorado
Ras-I Dowling | Round 2, Pick 33
DB, Virginia
Shane Vereen | Round 2, Pick 56
RB, California
Stevan Ridley | Round 3, Pick 73
RB, LSU
Ryan Mallett | Round 3, Pick 74
QB, Arkansas
Marcus Cannon | Round 5, Pick 138
T, TCU
Lee Smith | Round 5, Pick 159
TE, Marshall
Markell Carter | Round 6, Pick 194
LB, Central Arkansas
Malcolm Williams | Round 7, Pick 219
DB, TCU

2012
Chandler Jones | Round 1, Pick 21
DE, Syracuse
Dont’a Hightower | Round 1, Pick 25
LB, Alabama
Tavon Wilson | Round 2, Pick 48
DB, Illinois
Jake Bequette | Round 3, Pick 90
DE, Arkansas
Nate Ebner | Round 6, Pick 197
DB, Ohio State
Alfonzo Dennard | Round 7, Pick 224
DB, Nebraska
Jeremy Ebert | Round 7, Pick 235
WR, Northwestern

2013
Jamie Collins | Round 2, Pick 52
LB, Southern Miss
Aaron Dobson | Round 2, Pick 59
WR, Marshall
Logan Ryan | Round 3, Pick 83
DB, Rutgers
Duron Harmon | Round 3, Pick 91
DB, Rutgers
Josh Boyce | Round 4, Pick 102
WR, TCU
Michael Buchanan | Round 7, Pick 226
DE, Illinois
Steve Beauharnais | Round 7, Pick 235
LB, Rutgers

2014
Dominique Easley | Round 1, Pick 29
DT, Florida
Jimmy Garoppolo | Round 2, Pick 62
QB, Eastern Illinois
Bryan Stork | Round 4, Pick 105
C, Florida State
James White | Round 4, Pick 130
RB, Louisiana
Cameron Fleming | Round 4, Pick 140
T, Stanford
Jon Halapio | Round 6, Pick 179
OL, Florida
Zach Moore | Round 6, Pick 198
DE, Concordia-St.Paul (MN)
Jemea Thomas | Round 6, Pick 206
DB, Georgia Tech
Jeremy Gallon | Round 7, Pick 244
WR, Michigan

2015
Malcom Brown | Round 1, Pick 32
DT, Texas
Jordan Richards | Round 2, Pick 64
S, Stanford
Geneo Grissom | Round 3, Pick 97
DE, Oklahoma
Trey Flowers | Round 4, Pick 101
DE, Arkansas
Tre’ Jackson | Round 4, Pick 111
G, Florida State
Shaq Mason | Round 4, Pick 131
C, Georgia Tech
Joe Cardona | Round 5, Pick 166
LS, Navy
Matthew Wells | Round 6, Pick 178
LB, Mississippi State
A.J. Derby | Round 6, Pick 202
TE, Arkansas
Darryl Roberts | Round 7, Pick 247
CB, Marshall
Xzavier Dickson | Round 7, Pick 253
OLB, Alabama

2016
Cyrus Jones | Round 2, Pick 60
CB, Alabama
Joe Thuney | Round 3, Pick 78
G, North Carolina State
Jacoby Brissett | Round 3, Pick 91
QB, North Carolina State
Vincent Valentine | Round 3, Pick 96
DT, Nebraska
Malcolm Mitchell | Round 4, Pick 112
WR, Georgia
Kamu Grugier-Hill | Round 6, Pick 208
OLB, Eastern Illinois
Elandon Roberts | Round 6, Pick 214
ILB, Houston
Ted Karras | Round 6, Pick 221
G, Illinois
Devin Lucien | Round 7, Pick 225
WR, Arizona State

2017
Derek Rivers | Round 3, Pick 83
DE, Youngstown State
Antonio Garcia | Round 3, Pick 85
T, Troy
Deatrich Wise Jr. | Round 4, Pick 131
DE, Arkansas
Conor McDermott | Round 6, Pick 211
T, UCLA

2018
Isaiah Wynn | Round 1, Pick 23
T, Georgia
Sony Michel | Round 1, Pick 31
RB, Georgia
Duke Dawson | Round 2, Pick 56
CB, Florida
Ja’Whaun Bentley | Round 5, Pick 143
ILB, Purdue
Christian Sam | Round 6, Pick 178
ILB, Arizona State
Braxton Berrios | Round 6, Pick 210
WR, Miami (FL)
Danny Etling | Round 7, Pick 219
QB, LSU
Keion Crossen | Round 7, Pick 243
CB, Western Carolina
Ryan Izzo | Round 7, Pick 250
TE, Florida State

2019
N’Keal Harry | Round 1, Pick 32
WR, Arizona State
Joejuan Williams | Round 2, Pick 45
CB, Vanderbilt
Chase Winovich | Round 3, Pick 77
DE, Michigan
Damien Harris | Round 3, Pick 87
RB, Alabama
Yodny Cajuste | Round 3, Pick 101
T, West Virginia
Hjalte Froholdt | Round 4, Pick 118
G, Arkansas
Jarrett Stidham | Round 4, Pick 133
QB, Auburn
Byron Cowart | Round 5, Pick 159
DT, Maryland
Jake Bailey | Round 5, Pick 163
P, Stanford
Ken Webster | Round 7, Pick 252
CB, Mississippi

2020
Kyle Dugger | Round 2, Pick 37
S, Lenoir-Rhyne
Josh Uche | Round 2, Pick 60
LB, Michigan
Anfernee Jennings | Round 3, Pick 87
LB, Alabama
Devin Asiasi | Round 3, Pick 91
TE, UCLA
Dalton Keene | Round 3, Pick 101
TE, Virginia Tech
Justin Rohrwasser | Round 5, Pick 159
K, Marshall
Michael Onwenu | Round 6, Pick 182
G, Michigan
Justin Herron | Round 6, Pick 195
T, Wake Forest
Cassh Maluia | Round 6, Pick 204
LB, Wyoming
Dustin Woodard | Round 7, Pick 230
C, Memphis

2021
Mac Jones | Round 1, Pick 15
QB, Alabama
Christian Barmore | Round 2, Pick 38
DL, Alabama
Ronnie Perkins | Round 3, Pick 96
DE, Oklahoma
Rhamondre Stevenson | Round 4, Pick 120
RB, Oklahoma
Cameron McGrone | Round 5, Pick 177
LB, Michigan
Joshuah Bledsoe | Round 6, Pick 188
S, Missouri
William Sherman | Round 6, Pick 197
OL, Colorado
Tre Nixon | Round 7, Pick 242
WR, Central Florida

2022
Cole Strange | Round 1, Pick 29
OL, Chattanooga
Tyquan Thornton | Round 2, Pick 50
CB, Baylor
Marcus Jones | Round 3, Pick 85
CB, Houston
Jack Jones | Round 4, Pick 121
DB, Arizona State
Pierre Strong | Round 4, Pick 127
RB, South Dakota State
Bailey Zappe | Round 4, Pick 137
QB, Western Kentucky
Kevin Harris | Round 6, Pick 183
RB, South Carolina
Sam Roberts | Round 6, Pick 200
DT, NW Missouri State
Chasen Hines | Round 6, Pick 210
G, LSU
Andrew Stueber | Round 7, Pick 245
OL, Michigan

2023
Christian Gonzalez | Round 1, Pick 17
CB, Oregon
Keion White | Round 2, Pick 41
DL, Georgia Tech
Marte Mapu | Round 3, Pick 76
S/LB, Sacramento State
Jake Andrews | Round 4, Pick 107
OL, Troy
Chad Ryland | Round 4, Pick 112
K, Maryland
Sidy Sow | Round 4, Pick 117
G, Eastern Michigan
Atonio Mafi | Round 5, Pick 144
G, UCLA
Kayshon Boutte | Round 6, Pick 187
WR, LSU
Bryce Baringer | Round 6, Pick 192
P, Michigan State
Demario Douglas | Round 6, Pick 210
WR, Liberty
Ameer Speed | Round 6, Pick 214
CB, Michigan State
Isaiah Bolden | Round 7, Pick 245
CB, Jackson State

Look at Ballard's drafts after 2018.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I'd rather go 15 years with average drafts acknowledging my team hasn't been bad enough to draft a top end QB than having the #1 pick and watching us trade it to someone else while the Texans look like they have an actual future while we have Justin ****ing Fields.

This is about current GM's and Ryan Poles better pack his bags bc his goddamned ass is getting fired. There's zero chance he survives this shit.

The worst thing you can do as a GM is give away your future to a non-performing QB by trading valuable draft picks and paying them a huge contract. Bill may not be good but he's not that ****ing stupid.

And yes I'd rather have Bill than Ballard. Say what you want but at least Bill had the balls to draft a 1st rd QB before his owner and the fans pressured him to do it.

Those aren't average drafts....they are well below average.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Look at Ballard's drafts after 2018.

Thank ****ing God we didn't end up saddled with his style.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Right. That HC-QB of this caliber is going to do a LOT of heavy lifting.



So you agree that putting JUST Mahomes there would make them contenders? That’s with BelichickGM, a HOF coach in BelichickHC, and all of these garbage drafts you keep talking about?

How can you think that but not think that we might have enjoyed similar success if we simply brought BelichickGM here where he would still have Mahomes, a HOF HC in Reid, Kelce, Tyreek Hill, Chris Jones, Eric Fisher, Mitchell Schwartz, Kareem Hunt, Dee Ford, Justin Houston, etc.

A contender? Sure. A dynasty? Absolutely not with Belichick the GM.

Don't just ignore my point about the dynamic of Belichick being a defensive wizard combined with a great QB. That is a huge factor, and has absolutely nothing to do with Belichick the GM.

Again, the discussion is about whether we would have the same amount of success that we've had over the last 5 years, and how we would be set up for success for the next 5.

With Belichick's shit draft versus Veach's great drafts, the difference would be significant, and anybody arguing different is ****ing reeruned.