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Old 12-24-2023, 03:27 PM  
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Off-season WR possibilities

Seeing a lot of teams with sub .500 records with WRs that need to get with Mahomes.

Who is available and who would you like to see us pursue to go with Rice and Watson.
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Old 01-03-2024, 01:18 PM   #586
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I just don’t think teams like Tampa Bay and Cincinnati are going to tag a WR and tie up 19m for a player they don’t really need or want to keep. Cincinnati is about to pay Chase. Keeping Higgins is a luxury. Same goes for Tampa Bay who is already paying Godwin. You really think they are going to pay 50m a year for WRs for Baker Mayfield?

I don’t.
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Old 01-03-2024, 01:25 PM   #587
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I don't think that has to be the case.

I love Brandon Aiyuk. Even if the 49ers trade him, I'm not sure he's SO much better than Evans or Ridley or Marquise Brown that it's worth it to pay him 30-40 percent more AND give up draft capital for that right.

And let's not act like he's a sure thing, either. He's about the 4th option in San Francisco. He's outstanding in that role, but there could be legit questions about how that translates when he is THE MAN rather than A man.


Ah, aiyuk has the most catches, targets and yards for SF.
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Old 01-03-2024, 01:28 PM   #588
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Ah, aiyuk has the most catches, targets and yards for SF.
Right. And who attracts the most attention there?

McCaffery/run game. Then Samuel. Then Aiyuk or Kittle. Maybe you can argue he's priority #3 for teams, but considering the way they run their offense, I'm not sure of that.

I love him and don't think it's an issue, just saying that if we're going to nitpick guys available in FA and raise questions about them, it's not like the Aiyuk alternative is without risk.
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Old 01-03-2024, 01:28 PM   #589
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Everyone keeps blowing the Ravens in this thread and not realizing that they didn't go nuts fixing their WR room last Spring.

They have 3 competent WR's on their team and didn't spend much money at all to do it, so no you don't need to trade and pay.

The Ravens WR room looks like the Chiefs 2022 WR room with Rice added.
They spent a 1st round pick and paid a WR 15 million a year.

So sign me up for that.

Also add a Agholor or a Duvernay type.
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Old 01-03-2024, 01:29 PM   #590
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I don't think that has to be the case.

I love Brandon Aiyuk. Even if the 49ers trade him, I'm not sure he's SO much better than Evans or Ridley or Marquise Brown that it's worth it to pay him 30-40 percent more AND give up draft capital for that right.

And let's not act like he's a sure thing, either. He's about the 4th option in San Francisco. He's outstanding in that role, but there could be legit questions about how that translates when he is THE MAN rather than A man.
It's not even a question. When Aiyuk was asked to do more while Samuel was injured that offense more or less cratered in on itself. 17 PPG and 3 straight losses.
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Old 01-03-2024, 01:32 PM   #591
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Right. And who attracts the most attention there?

McCaffery/run game. Then Samuel. Then Aiyuk or Kittle. Maybe you can argue he's priority #3 for teams, but considering the way they run their offense, I'm not sure of that.

I love him and don't think it's an issue, just saying that if we're going to nitpick guys available in FA and raise questions about them, it's not like the Aiyuk alternative is without risk.


I agree that CMC is the most dangerous SF player. I think it might be a toss up between Aiyuk/Deebo after that.


But yeah, there’s no guarantee that Aiyuk would be as good in KC. But he’d walk in as the best WR in the building from Day 1, imo.
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Old 01-03-2024, 02:10 PM   #592
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There's some major revisionism in the Veach criticism.

If I would have told you before the year that Rice would have a 1000ish yard season and a bunch of TDs, the tackles would both be top 15ish in PBWR, and the defense would be a legit top 5 unit, you'd have all been making SB plans. Which most were anyway.
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Right. And who attracts the most attention there?

McCaffery/run game. Then Samuel. Then Aiyuk or Kittle. Maybe you can argue he's priority #3 for teams, but considering the way they run their offense, I'm not sure of that.

I love him and don't think it's an issue, just saying that if we're going to nitpick guys available in FA and raise questions about them, it's not like the Aiyuk alternative is without risk.
I would think Kittle is more important for their offense than Aiyuk.
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If Evans actually hits FA then yea you should take that swing, who knows if that actually happens though.
yes - the whole "he's old" thing is nonsense.

His stats at this age are very similar to Moss at the same age.

The guy is a target beast, runs any route asked, and most importantly, rarely drops and is a red zone beast.
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Aiyuk leads the team in targets, yards receiving and receiving TD's.

It's definitely a run first type offense, but Aiyuk has put up basically 3 1k yard seasons.

He's really good, gets separation and would be a monster here.
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yes - the whole "he's old" thing is nonsense.

His stats at this age are very similar to Moss at the same age.

The guy is a target beast, runs any route asked, and most importantly, rarely drops and is a red zone beast.

And while he isn’t a speed merchant, he IS a dangerous downfield threat against single coverage because of his size and ability to high-point the ball.

He would still be a downfield passing attack boon who keeps teams out of single high or cover zero.
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There's some major revisionism in the Veach criticism.

If I would have told you before the year that Rice would have a 1000ish yard season and a bunch of TDs, the tackles would both be top 15ish in PBWR, and the defense would be a legit top 5 unit, you'd have all been making SB plans. Which most were anyway.
I expected a 2 loss season with how easy our schedule looked. That said I didn't legit think we'd end up with a top 2 Defense. It's the best secondary we've had since the prime Carter/Hasty days. Sneed is in Hasty's territory of making dudes disappear from stat sheets.

OUr pass rush isn't like the 90's or teens but it's a top 10 unit as well.

I might be in the minority but I'm not worried about this year's playoff run. We've got a top 2 Defense, the best HC in the playoffs, A HOF QB and TE, and a big play running game. The only area of our team that sucks is WR but all we actually need them to do is catch the ****ing football.

There's only one legit QB in the AFC playoff picture and we've got the QB that every team fears playing. We're the experienced team lead by a HOF QB for once.

Worried? **** no. I remember how every playoff game in the 90's ended when we weren't the team with the HOF QB...
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There's some major revisionism in the Veach criticism.

If I would have told you before the year that Rice would have a 1000ish yard season and a bunch of TDs, the tackles would both be top 15ish in PBWR, and the defense would be a legit top 5 unit, you'd have all been making SB plans. Which most were anyway.


Nope. The WR's were blinking red and those of us who mentioned that we needed a vet WR or two who could run the routes, get open, and catch the football were told we were dumb or not good fans by the CP Cheer monitors.

I did think the roster other than WR was going to be very good, that's why I was adamant we needed to fix it.

If our entire roster was shit then who cares?!
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There's some major revisionism in the Veach criticism.

If I would have told you before the year that Rice would have a 1000ish yard season and a bunch of TDs, the tackles would both be top 15ish in PBWR, and the defense would be a legit top 5 unit, you'd have all been making SB plans. Which most were anyway.
Yes but you also didn't tell us that Kelce would have an injury riddled down year, Pat would have the worst year of his career and the receiver room outside of Rice would collectively shit it's pants.
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Thing is, if Pat has a year like this, it was just probably gonna be a "down" year.
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