Let's Talk About Baltimore (AFC Championship)

[SHOWTIME]

Headed back to the AFC Championship Game!!!! Discuss.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

I'm not whining about it. I'm calling people out. You're a community here, and if you have people like BlackHelicopters leaving messages like that, I figure others should know. Do with that what you will.

Anyway, back to MAHOMES >>>> LAMARUNNINGBACK.

The Chiefs are actually better than Baltimore at most positions. That's the rub. It just isn't a Mahomes advantage

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

Anyway, appreciate your explanations. I would like to stick around. This place is pretty unique. I just need to ignore the negative reputation comments telling me "Hope the entire female side of your family gets ass raped tonight." Onward and upward!

You should PM Bob Dole...

[StalkRavenMad]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

And yet every team in the league would still take Kelce over Mark Andrews.

Including the Ravens.

Only on Planet Chiefs i mean Chiefs Planet.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad

Only on Planet Chiefs i mean Chiefs Planet.

7 nation army blows

[digger]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

I'm not whining about it. I'm calling people out. You're a community here, and if you have people like BlackHelicopters leaving messages like that, I figure others should know. Do with that what you will.

Anyway, back to MAHOMES >>>> LAMARUNNINGBACK.

The First Rule of Fight Club, you do not talk about Fight Club...
The Second Rule of Fight Club, you do not talk about Fight Club...

[StalkRavenMad]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

Hold on....let me make sure you understand me so I don't write you off as a total jabroni (when I actually think, IMO, you've been the most civil and engaging Ravens fan here.....)

I'm saying, you are a GM drafting a team to play this weekend, pulling from the player pool you have from the 4 remaining teams. You are drafting TEs and you have the first choice in said TEs.

Look me in the internet eye and tell me with a straight face you are not taking Travis Kelce with that pick.

Are we talking this version of Travis Kelce that we've seen this season? If it's this version of Kelce I'm taking LaPorta. For 2 reason. He's had the better season and he's younger. The only reason Andrews isn't in tje conversation is because he's been injured.

[OneWinningDrive]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah - what happened to Humphrey? That guy was a legitimate top 5 CB when he signed his extension and he just hasn't lived up to it. Did I miss a lower body injury early in that deal that took a lot out of him?

Because Humphrey, in his prime, was a problem. And at 27 years old, he's not gotten to the age related wall yet (I typically put that at about 29 for DBs). He just hasn't been that guy in awhile.

Marlon isn't put in situations that are conducive to individual success as a corner. He's not used like a true number one CB in the sense that he gets his side of the field or shadows a receiver all game. They play in the slot, outside, on TEs, in the box, etc. It started because the Ravens have had so many injuries over the years that they needed Marlon to fill in on an as needed basis.

That sort of "positionless" football can work, and Kyle Hamilton is now probably the best at that role in the league. But the degree of difficulty in doing that as a corner is higher than as a safety since you're often left with no help.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

Salute!

I get it. Every other franchise is jealous that you have Mahomes. All of them/us. He's him. Anyone who doesn't recognize that doesn't know what they're looking at. And I respect that Chiefs fans appreciate this moment for what it is. The comment of mine you quoted was less serious than it was breaking balls.

That said, I do think people here, elsewhere, and in the media focus too much on quaterbacks at the expense of anything else. It's the most important position in sports, but there are other dynamics at play that matter. If they didn't, then the Ravens wouldn't have won a Super Bowl with Dilfer and Flacco. If people here genuinely hold the belief that "we have Mahomes and you don't so nothing else matters," then I do disagree. It just stunts substantive conversation to collapse everything into QB A > QB B.

So I guess I do get triggered when people frame every single topic as "Mahomes vs. Lamar" when it's "Chiefs vs. Ravens." Especially when the "Mahomes vs. Lamar" turns into acting like the only player to ever have won a Heisman and two MVPs is some fraudulent also ran simply because he's not Patrick Mahomes.

Anyway, appreciate your explanations. I would like to stick around. This place is pretty unique. I just need to ignore the negative reputation comments telling me "Hope the entire female side of your family gets ass raped tonight." Onward and upward!

I get how a Ravens' fan might hold that opinion. You did literally win the Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer. Though that took a historically dominant defense (led by a murderer, yeah, that's right, we just refer to Ray Lewis as a murderer around here. He's not bringing any knives with him to the game Sunday when your team honors him, right? That might change my pick of what's going to happen in the game).

But the year you won with Flacco, he elevated his game from "above-average QB" to "elite QB" during that run. He made big-time plays and played at a top-tier level. He wasn't able to sustain that (kind of like Eli Manning, honestly) and fell off, but SB winning Flacco was an elite QB that year (at least during the playoffs).

But look at the teams that have won Super Bowls in the salary cap era. If you don't have an elite-elite guy, the odds are stacked heavily against you.

Elite/HoF guys:
Aikman (2). Young (1). Favre (1). Elway (2). Warner (1). Brady (7). Manning (2). Roethlisberger (2). Eli Manning (2). Brees (1). Rodgers (1). Russel Wilson (1). Mahomes (2).

Really good players who elevated during their run:
Flacco (1). Foles (1). Stafford (1).

Game manager turds with historically good teams around them:
Johnson (1). Dilfer (1).

Point is, yeah, it is POSSIBLE to win with a game manager type at QB and a great, complete roster around them. It's way, way, way harder.

We've seen both sides of this coin (90s and Alex Smith era with the game manager/complete roster approach vs. Mahomes era) and seen how much more consistent and successful the latter is.

So yeah, of course there's focus on the QB play.

Both of these teams have complete, versatile, and tricky defenses. Both have stars at QB. It's pretty clear that which QB is able to better handle the opposing team's strong D is going to carry the day.

[KCUnited]

Didn’t expect to wake up and see Brian Billick posting on CP

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

I'm calling people out..

two days in....

[OneWinningDrive]

Originally Posted by digger

The First Rule of Fight Club, you do not talk about Fight Club...
The Second Rule of Fight Club, you do not talk about Fight Club...

Then come fight me in the arena. Don't shank me in the alley. These people leaving comments like that in negative reputation remarks while not saying a single thing in this thread are orders of magnitude softer than the people insisting simultaneously that the Chiefs are an invincible dynasty and yet if they lose this week it was always "house money" and they had nothing to lose.

[kepp]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Lamar Jackson, in fact, had the opportunity to try to play through a lower leg injury and elevate his team.

He chose not to play on one leg.

Because that takes away 75% of his game

[PurpleOrange]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah - what happened to Humphrey? That guy was a legitimate top 5 CB when he signed his extension and he just hasn't lived up to it. Did I miss a lower body injury early in that deal that took a lot out of him?

Because Humphrey, in his prime, was a problem. And at 27 years old, he's not gotten to the age related wall yet (I typically put that at about 29 for DBs). He just hasn't been that guy in awhile.

Injuries, and most of em since he signed his extension in fall of 2020 (not as bad as what happened to Stanley though). And yes he was a legit top 5 CB he was also great at forcing fumbles (8 in the 2020 campaign). In 2021 he had a groin strain in camp that slowed him down a bit, then tore a pec late in the same season. This most recent season he had foot surgery in camp and missed the first 4 games of the season. On top of that he seems to always get dinged up in games and is usually showing up on the injury report. All of these injuries seem to have resulted in him losing a step. He single handidly almost cost the Ravens the game against the Rams as he was getting torched late in that one.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kepp

Because that takes away 75% of his game

Why?

A leg injury shouldn't impact his processing power...

[neech]

Dan Orlovsky said he tried to find a weakness on the Ravens defense and he said he couldn't find any.

Oh Nooooo