Has postseason play changed your perspective on the draft? - Page 2

ntexascardfan · 01-29-2024, 10:32 AM

Every single draft has us taking a WR in the first round. The more I sit in that thought, the more it feels reactionary.

The next year will be filled with trying to figure out which guys on rookie deals to extend or let go to free agency. Humphrey, Smith, Bolton, Gay, Sneed, and others who are all big contributors to the team.

I'm starting to think we aren't going WR in round 1 and I could us not taking a skill guy until the third round.

I could see us going DT in round one if we don't extend Jones. I could see us taking a guard in round two considering we could be in a place where we are needing to replace Humphrey or Smith after next season AND Thuney after 2025.

This feels like a draft where we restock for the longterm v. trying to fill an immediate pain point that hurt us during the regular season.

Mecca · 01-29-2024, 12:41 PM

Reid isn't going anywhere either..

I do think they'll try to get something done with Sneed...Gay and Jones though are probably toast.

Direckshun · 01-29-2024, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Reid isn't going anywhere either..

I do think they'll try to get something done with Sneed...Gay and Jones though are probably toast.

Off topic, but since you mentioned it in your first post in this thread: would you prefer to attack WR position in free agency, the draft, or perhaps via trade, such as a trade for AJ Brown since his 2024 number is a great deal.

Mecca · 01-29-2024, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Off topic, but since you mentioned it in your first post in this thread: would you prefer to attack WR position in free agency, the draft, or perhaps via trade, such as a trade for AJ Brown since his 2024 number is a great deal.

I don't think trade is a real option...

I think the smartest thing they could do is look for some speed.

I know people don't love Hollywood Brown but he's likely getting less money than guys like Ridley and Evans..if you could add Brown and Franklin to the offense that would make Rice and Kelce so much better with more space.

I think there's a reasonable chance Wanya Morris is a starting OT next year...

JPH83 · 01-29-2024, 01:03 PM

It's probably only changed my mind a little in the margins. I still think WR is a massive priority and we need one early, probably R1. Then it's OT and DT. The difference for me now is that i wouldn't hate us going for a position like LB, TE or G over OT or DT, if it's BPA. I might not even mind another fairly early CB or Safety as they're all positions we either need to think about replacing soon, or we could improve.

Pre playoffs the thought of us taking a guard over an OT or DT would've annoyed me. I think if we resigned D Smith I could live with that risk and reloading at guard first. Same with LB. I love Bolton but if we saw a coverage LB we like in the late 2nd or 3rd that's BPA I could live with it. As long as we get a WR early and bolster the DL early-ish the rest is fine.

O.city · 01-29-2024, 01:11 PM

The thing with HOllywood is that he does have speed and there aren't many guys hitting the market that does.

I'd guess he may get 20 mil a year.

Mecca · 01-29-2024, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The thing with HOllywood is that he does have speed and there aren't many guys hitting the market that does.

I'd guess he may get 20 mil a year.

That would be rather crazy if he got that, I assume he comes in, in the second tier of WR FAs.

O.city · 01-29-2024, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That would be rather crazy if he got that, I assume he comes in, in the second tier of WR FAs.

Why would he get less than Christian Kirk?

RunKC · 01-29-2024, 01:20 PM

I think their goal this off-season has to be weapons. They can't have Kelce be the guy carrying the offense going forward.

Mecca · 01-29-2024, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Why would he get less than Christian Kirk?

Because Kirk is wildly overpaid, I figure that market will correct itself.

Shoes · 01-29-2024, 01:28 PM

Post-season hasn't really changed my mind in regards to draft needs- if this Chiefs team even had one more dynamic playmaker, I think we would absolutely boat race teams. Love Rashee but him and Kelce right now are best vs zone, we need a receiver who is great vs man to man. Right now when we expect man coverage you see us scheme receivers open (ala Justin Watson motion release yesterday vs the Ravens).

I'm not hung up on who we take in the 1st though, BPA at a position of need and go from there. I do think it's a likely possibility the Chiefs take a WR in the 2nd round just due to the sheer amount of great receiver prospects in this draft. There are legitimately around 10 guys that I could see carving out solid careers. The following (in no order):

-Harrison Jr
-Nabers
-Odunze
-Coleman
-Thomas Jr
-Franklin
-Mitchell
-Legette
-Worthy
-Polk
-Walker

11 guys right there that are at least intriguing prospects; doesn't even include Corley, Rice, McConkey or Wilson. There will be a talented option available at the end of the 2nd round so I would prefer them to draft elsewhere in the 1st. Veach and staff have been so god damn good drafting though so I got all the faith in the world that they are going to get it right.

JPH83 · 01-29-2024, 02:00 PM

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The only thing -- the only thing -- that I think these games have changed for me is that a Justin Reid extension is far more likely now than it was at some earlier point in the season.

Man, I feel like I'm alone in being kind of fine with moving off Reid. I like him, it's just a lot of money and I don't know we can't find another guy there. Maybe not quite as versatile or smart, and that matters, but someone who can play FS with real range. I still think Connor settles as primarily a SS and maybe Cook too.

Mecca · 01-29-2024, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JPH83

Man, I feel like I'm alone in being kind of fine with moving off Reid. I like him, it's just a lot of money and I don't know we can't find another guy there. Maybe not quite as versatile or smart, and that matters, but someone who can play FS with real range. I still think Connor settles as primarily a SS and maybe Cook too.

Reid's totally coming back, Connor being a player means they'll move off Mike Edwards.

DJ's left nut · 01-29-2024, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Because Kirk is wildly overpaid, I figure that market will correct itself.

I'm not sure if it will just yet.

But I think in another year or 2 it will.

There are just WAY more good wide receivers out there than there are QBs who can make them actually matter.

If Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle are just good enough to get your asses kicked in the post-season, then Tua doesn't crack that threshhold. And if he doesn't, there are maybe 6-8 QBs that do.

If that's the case, this rush to sign FA wide-outs oughta be truly dead and buried. Moreso when you realize that most of the teams that DO have the QBs to allow WRs to move the needle will also have cap hits that make them prohibitive.

It's just really hard to see WRs as being worth what they're being paid right now. Most of the mid-tier guys don't actually make a difference. Most of the expensive guys get sent home once their QBs are exposed and frankly some of the best in the league right now are guys who were productive in their 1st and 2nd years and are still on rookie deals.

That market's out of whack but it won't correct THAT quickly, IMO. Probably need a couple more datapoints before other teams realize what seems readily apparent to me right now.

DJ's left nut · 01-29-2024, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Reid's totally coming back, Connor being a player means they'll move off Mike Edwards.

Yeah, I'd probably give 2-1 odds on a Reid extension at the moment. I'd be floored if we moved off of him.

He's absolutely been worth his deal and some of his best play has been in the post-season. He's still young and will be extremely valuable throughput in this secondary in the coming years.

I agree that Edwards will probably move on because I suspect he'll get a nice deal somewhere. But Conner will replace him as S3 and honestly could challenge Cook for the FS spot. Conner has looked DAMN good. Better than Cook, IMO. Certainly better than Cook looked as a rookie.

Dude's coming on with a bullet.

kccrow · 01-29-2024, 07:40 PM

Not even a little. Offensive weapons, especially WRs, are top of the list followed by a lot of help at DT.

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ntexascardfan Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Casino cash: $4984900	Has postseason play changed your perspective on the draft? Every single draft has us taking a WR in the first round. The more I sit in that thought, the more it feels reactionary. The next year will be filled with trying to figure out which guys on rookie deals to extend or let go to free agency. Humphrey, Smith, Bolton, Gay, Sneed, and others who are all big contributors to the team. I'm starting to think we aren't going WR in round 1 and I could us not taking a skill guy until the third round. I could see us going DT in round one if we don't extend Jones. I could see us taking a guard in round two considering we could be in a place where we are needing to replace Humphrey or Smith after next season AND Thuney after 2025. This feels like a draft where we restock for the longterm v. trying to fill an immediate pain point that hurt us during the regular season.
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01-29-2024, 01:03 PM	#19
JPH83 Veteran Join Date: Feb 2021 Casino cash: $-239600	It's probably only changed my mind a little in the margins. I still think WR is a massive priority and we need one early, probably R1. Then it's OT and DT. The difference for me now is that i wouldn't hate us going for a position like LB, TE or G over OT or DT, if it's BPA. I might not even mind another fairly early CB or Safety as they're all positions we either need to think about replacing soon, or we could improve. Pre playoffs the thought of us taking a guard over an OT or DT would've annoyed me. I think if we resigned D Smith I could live with that risk and reloading at guard first. Same with LB. I love Bolton but if we saw a coverage LB we like in the late 2nd or 3rd that's BPA I could live with it. As long as we get a WR early and bolster the DL early-ish the rest is fine. Last edited by JPH83; 01-29-2024 at 01:57 PM..
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01-29-2024, 01:11 PM	#20
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01-29-2024, 01:28 PM	#25
Shoes Veteran Join Date: Feb 2018 Casino cash: $3009690	Post-season hasn't really changed my mind in regards to draft needs- if this Chiefs team even had one more dynamic playmaker, I think we would absolutely boat race teams. Love Rashee but him and Kelce right now are best vs zone, we need a receiver who is great vs man to man. Right now when we expect man coverage you see us scheme receivers open (ala Justin Watson motion release yesterday vs the Ravens). I'm not hung up on who we take in the 1st though, BPA at a position of need and go from there. I do think it's a likely possibility the Chiefs take a WR in the 2nd round just due to the sheer amount of great receiver prospects in this draft. There are legitimately around 10 guys that I could see carving out solid careers. The following (in no order): -Harrison Jr -Nabers -Odunze -Coleman -Thomas Jr -Franklin -Mitchell -Legette -Worthy -Polk -Walker 11 guys right there that are at least intriguing prospects; doesn't even include Corley, Rice, McConkey or Wilson. There will be a talented option available at the end of the 2nd round so I would prefer them to draft elsewhere in the 1st. Veach and staff have been so god damn good drafting though so I got all the faith in the world that they are going to get it right.
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