Has postseason play changed your perspective on the draft?

[ntexascardfan]

Every single draft has us taking a WR in the first round. The more I sit in that thought, the more it feels reactionary.

The next year will be filled with trying to figure out which guys on rookie deals to extend or let go to free agency. Humphrey, Smith, Bolton, Gay, Sneed, and others who are all big contributors to the team.

I'm starting to think we aren't going WR in round 1 and I could us not taking a skill guy until the third round.

I could see us going DT in round one if we don't extend Jones. I could see us taking a guard in round two considering we could be in a place where we are needing to replace Humphrey or Smith after next season AND Thuney after 2025.

This feels like a draft where we restock for the longterm v. trying to fill an immediate pain point that hurt us during the regular season.

[Mecca]

With the idea that Danna and Jones are likely gone and now Omenihu being hurt...this team is going to end up going DT or DT with it's first pick.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I don't think he is.

Top 100, sure. But i don't see him being powerful enough for DT or fast enough for DE.

I think he might be an NFL 5-tech in a 3-4 system. A good, but not great one, at that. So I'd be surprised to see him go before the 3rd round.

It's too early for the "everyone is a potential 1st round pick" game, fellas. Can't we at least wait until mid-February before we start convincing ourselves that dudes who end up going in the 4th and 5th rounds are worthwhile considerations in the 1st?

Robinson is going insane at the senior bowl, he now has 1st round buzz.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Robinson is going insane at the senior bowl, he now has 1st round buzz.

Indeed - so sayeth Twitter.

[Mecca]

I watched like 1 Mizzou game does this dude warrant this buzz?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I watched like 1 Mizzou game does this dude warrant this buzz?

I mean, I watched lots of Tigers games and have said my piece on him.

Interestingly, the clips I'm seeing have him wrecking shit as a 3-tech rather than an edge. That COULD be a home for him if he can learn to play with his pads down as a taller DT.

I mean it's the exact same question people asked about Jones. So lets say instead of considering him as a DE, you're looking at him as a Jones replacement.

Do I think he has anything close to the first step that Jones had? No, I don't. That said, Jones wasn't as physically developed as Robinson is coming out of the draft. Jones really built his body his first 2-3 years in the league before becoming a real monster.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Someone do me a favor

Give me a quick cut up of what an offseason could look like IF we do keep Jones and Sneed

What’s a realistic plan to do that and also get better at WR, build depth on DL, LT

Cause I think we will at least try. I think it would be “plan A”.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Someone do me a favor

Give me a quick cut up of what an offseason could look like IF we do keep Jones and Sneed

What’s a realistic plan to do that and also get better at WR, build depth on DL, LT

Cause I think we will at least try. I think it would be “plan A”.

If you are keeping both of them then basically all of the other FA's are gone.

You're talking cheap signings, vets that want a ring guys who flamed out in other spots etc.

Then you're talking drafting a WR in round 1 or 2 while also needing to replace Mike Danna and find a contributing LB.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If you are keeping both of them then basically all of the other FA's are gone.

You're talking cheap signings, vets that want a ring guys who flamed out in other spots etc.

Then you're talking drafting a WR in round 1 or 2 while also needing to replace Mike Danna and find a contributing LB.

Yup.

Keep 'em both and it's a WR in the first, OL in the 2nd and likely a run-it-back season next year.

Unless you structured the Jones deal really aggressively in the hopes of milking another run out of the Kelce era. And that's defensible, but if you do that, replacing Kelce in 2-3 years is gonna be AWFULLY hard with the Jones cap/dead cap charge hanging around.

Honestly, if they win the SB, I'm just gonna say "**** it" and push as many chips into the middle as is necessary for 2024 and a three-peat season. It would TOTALLY change my calculus.

Because you're only ever 1 year of eating shit away from a clean cap sheet. You can push for 2 more after this one and just grab your ankles in 2026.

Brady went 10 years between rings and still won 7. I'm almost always a 'slow and steady' team builder but if there's a 3-peat on the line, full speed ahead boys! Damn the torpedoes!

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Someone do me a favor

Give me a quick cut up of what an offseason could look like IF we do keep Jones and Sneed

What’s a realistic plan to do that and also get better at WR, build depth on DL, LT

Cause I think we will at least try. I think it would be “plan A”.

Starting Cap Space = ($31m)

Drop MVS +$12m = ($43m)
Jones $30m/3-yrs, $18m Signing Bonus = -$18m Cap Hit = ($25m)
Sneed $18m/4-yrs, $12m Signing Bonus = -$10m Cap Hit = ($15m)
Draft -$8.5m = ($6.5m)

Ending Cap Space = ($6.5m)


The above plan to keep Jones AND Sneed leaves us with $6.5m to sign depth players.

In addition to dropping MVS you have the following options:

-Drop Reid for +$11m
-Restructure Mahomes +$6m
-Restructure Taylor +$12m
-Restructure Thuney +$7m
-Restructure kelce +$6m

It's possible.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yup.

Keep 'em both and it's a WR in the first, OL in the 2nd and likely a run-it-back season next year.

Unless you structured the Jones deal really aggressively in the hopes of milking another run out of the Kelce era. And that's defensible, but if you do that, replacing Kelce in 2-3 years is gonna be AWFULLY hard with the Jones cap/dead cap charge hanging around.

Honestly, if they win the SB, I'm just gonna say "**** it" and push as many chips into the middle as is necessary for 2024 and a three-peat season. It would TOTALLY change my calculus.

Because you're only ever 1 year of eating shit away from a clean cap sheet. You can push for 2 more after this one and just grab your ankles in 2026.

Brady went 10 years between rings and still won 7. I'm almost always a 'slow and steady' team builder but if there's a 3-peat on the line, full speed ahead boys! Damn the torpedoes!

Personally, I think you pick 1. Sneed or Jones and Sneed would be where I'd go there.

Willie Gay is most likely out, I could see a team thinking he is a defensive centerpiece with his athletic ability and paying him that way. But I think you can reasonably keep Tranquill.

I think the secondary is largely in tact other than Connor is ready to replace Edwards in the 3rd safety role.

You're however going to lose Mike Danna and Chris Jones, Omenihu is out half the year. That is going to leave you with some work to do on the DL. The hope is that guys like FAU, Truman Jones and BJ Thompson are ready to contribute next year, that would be a huge thing. If not you need a vet DE that can play meaningful snaps or Malik Herring is playing a ton of snaps. And then DT is an overhaul position.

In this method WR and DT/DE are your biggest issues....and OT is there depending on if they really go with Morris or if Smith comes back.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Starting Cap Space = ($31m)

Drop MVS +$12m = ($43m)
Jones $30m/3-yrs, $18m Signing Bonus = -$18m Cap Hit = ($25m)
Sneed $18m/4-yrs, $12m Signing Bonus = -$10m Cap Hit = ($15m)
Draft -$8.5m = ($6.5m)

Ending Cap Space = ($6.5m)


The above plan to keep Jones AND Sneed leaves us with $6.5m to sign depth players.

In addition to dropping MVS you have the following options:

-Drop Reid for +$11m
-Restructure Mahomes +$6m
-Restructure Taylor +$12m
-Restructure Thuney +$7m
-Restructure kelce +$6m

It's possible.

They are not getting rid of Justin Reid, I just don't see that he's been to good.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by Mecca

They are not getting rid of Justin Reid, I just don't see that he's been to good.

Don't need to, lots of options IMO.

SB winning roster doesn't need too many outside FAs.

I think CP is overdoing it with the salary cap doom and gloom a bit.

Veach is a ****ing cap wizard!

I hope we keep both.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Don't need to, lots of options IMO.

SB winning roster doesn't need too many outside FAs.

I think CP is overdoing it with the salary cap doom and gloom a bit.

Veach is a ****ing cap wizard!

I hope we keep both.

It's hard to justify paying a 30 year old player a record setting deal when you have so many good younger players up for contracts.

Like I'd try to keep Gay before Jones.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I’m pretty sure they can get up to like $36m by restructuring Mahomes? That’s the max I think.

To me that’s the only way you can keep both.

But I don’t wanna go into a season without depth.. and if that’s the trade off for keeping Jones past his prime years, that may not be worth it.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If you are keeping both of them then basically all of the other FA's are gone.

You're talking cheap signings, vets that want a ring guys who flamed out in other spots etc.

Then you're talking drafting a WR in round 1 or 2 while also needing to replace Mike Danna and find a contributing LB.

FAU replaces Danna, Herring can be the depth piece