NFL likely banning hip-drop tackle

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I am by no means saying dak is a good qb. But when a teams entire season is flushed down the toilet because of a season ending injury it’s not good for the game. And when guys like Skylar Thompson and josh Johnson and Tyler Huntley and henne play significant playoff minutes that is not good for the game either.

I agree offenses will eventually need to take some responsibility too. But tackling is a very big thing too. I would much rather see DBs for example wrap up, tackle and play the ball versus guys like Cisco who constantly use hit sticking guys as a crutch. Yeah I was way more outraged of defenses routinely knocking juju and Mvs out of games 2 years ago than I was at ever the thought they might stop guys like Cisco from doing it.

Go back to that clip above. Look at :03/:13 seconds just as examples. You're the DB: tell me what the proper way is to tackle that guy in those two examples please. I mean, I only played a couple years in HS, and was never more than a backup/utility player, so you tell me; how is he supposed to tackle those players 'properly' without doing what he did in both cases.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Go back to that clip above. Look at :03/:13 seconds just as examples. You're the DB: tell me what the proper way is to tackle that guy in those two examples please. I mean, I only played a couple years in HS, and was never more than a backup/utility player, so you tell me; how is he supposed to tackle those players 'properly' without doing what he did in both cases.

1) Take a better angle or
2) Slow the player down and wait for help.

I don't think anyone's arguing that this could result in a few extra yards. That's no different than essentially every safety-related change they've made to the game, and yet we're all still watching.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DaFace

1) Take a better angle or
2) Slow the player down and wait for help.

I don't think anyone's arguing that this could result in a few extra yards. That's no different than essentially every safety-related change they've made to the game, and yet we're all still watching.

One of those is Sneed, I believe; he's as fast as it gets in the secondary, so 'taking a better angle,' doesn't really fly for me there.

'Slow the player down and wait for help'? Are you serious? Should he try to make small talk then? Ask him out on a date?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by DaFace

1) Take a better angle or
2) Slow the player down and wait for help.

I don't think anyone's arguing that this could result in a few extra yards. That's no different than essentially every safety-related change they've made to the game, and yet we're all still watching.

Good lord....

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Go back to that clip above. Look at :03/:13 seconds just as examples. You're the DB: tell me what the proper way is to tackle that guy in those two examples please. I mean, I only played a couple years in HS, and was never more than a backup/utility player, so you tell me; how is he supposed to tackle those players 'properly' without doing what he did in both cases.

If I’m not mistaken the hip drop tackle isn’t being enforced. It’s more the swivel tackle where they don’t want you landing on the dudes legs. It still seems a bit broad and subjective. But just for context, league said they saw it something like 200 times and about 7% got injured. That is very very high especially when these injuries tend to be very serious.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If I’m not mistaken the hip drop tackle isn’t being enforced. It’s more the swivel tackle where they don’t want you landing on the dudes legs. It still seems a bit broad and subjective. But just for context, league said they saw it something like 200 times and about 7% got injured. That is very very high especially when these injuries tend to be very serious.

Again, look at the tape and explain how the defense is supposed to make those tackles?


I mean I get it’s a dangerous tackle. What I don’t get is exactly how the defenders are supposed to make those tackles differently without giving up more yards or possibly even a TD.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Again, look at the tape and explain how the defense is supposed to make those tackles?


I mean I get it’s a dangerous tackle. What I don’t get is exactly how the defenders are supposed to make those tackles differently without giving up more yards or possibly even a TD.

https://youtu.be/5KJ9mCbS3rU?si=078ye8udUjAAh9oT
This is a pretty interesting video looking at it from a rugby perspective. The main theme is just trying to avoid tackles that put lots of pressure on the knees and lower body. Football is of course a different animal but a lot of interesting thoughts here.

Every time I see a guys legs pinned under with upper body twisting I cringe.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

https://youtu.be/5KJ9mCbS3rU?si=078ye8udUjAAh9oT
This is a pretty interesting video looking at it from a rugby perspective. The main theme is just trying to avoid tackles that put lots of pressure on the knees and lower body. Football is of course a different animal but a lot of interesting thoughts here.

Every time I see a guys legs pinned under with upper body twisting I cringe.

This is really helpful actually.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by wazu

This is really helpful actually.

You clearly didn't watch the video of the examples the NFL is saying will be illegal. Most of those are just tackles. The rugby style stuff should be banned, but that's not what is happening in the video the NFL put out.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

You clearly didn't watch the video of the examples the NFL is saying will be illegal. Most of those are just tackles. The rugby style stuff should be banned, but that's not what is happening in the video the NFL put out.

Their video is bad, I agree. But they have stated the emphasis will be on dropping your own body weight on the ball carrier’s legs. The rugby video highlights assholes who have turned that into an art form so people can see what is meant by that.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

https://youtu.be/5KJ9mCbS3rU?si=078ye8udUjAAh9oT
This is a pretty interesting video looking at it from a rugby perspective. The main theme is just trying to avoid tackles that put lots of pressure on the knees and lower body. Football is of course a different animal but a lot of interesting thoughts here.

Every time I see a guys legs pinned under with upper body twisting I cringe.

Look, I've said a hundred times that I hate the drop tackle. I'm not advocating for keeping drop tackles. I'm asking, in reference to that clip above, just what are those defenders supposed to do? I get flagging the first one; it's basically exactly the same as the ones in the rugby video. That shit needs to go.

But the two I pointed out, and several others in the video, are just tackles, imo. So tell me, just what are they supposed to do in those other cases?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Look, I've said a hundred times that I hate the drop tackle. I'm not advocating for keeping drop tackles. I'm asking, in reference to that clip above, just what are those defenders supposed to do? I get flagging the first one; it's basically exactly the same as the ones in the rugby video. That shit needs to go.

But the two I pointed out, and several others in the video, are just tackles, imo. So tell me, just what are they supposed to do in those other cases?

I think you start with a broad definition, over-enforce it in the preseason, use primarily fines (not penalties) early on… and see how coaches adapt. Some of those examples seem pretty broad. But using that rugby video there seems to be a few with grabbing that seemed borderline horse collar and several examples of pinning the knees down where it’s suggested tacklers should try to use the ground instead of the players knees. Sometimes that’s unavoidable but maybe just overemphasizing different techniques will make it less common.

Some of those seem pretty bang bang but there are several in that video where I think we can all see the body is twisting in ways that aren’t ideal.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think you start with a broad definition, over-enforce it in the preseason, use primarily fines (not penalties) early on… and see how coaches adapt. Some of those examples seem pretty broad. But using that rugby video there seems to be a few with grabbing that seemed borderline horse collar and several examples of pinning the knees down where it’s suggested tacklers should try to use the ground instead of the players knees. Sometimes that’s unavoidable but maybe just overemphasizing different techniques will make it less common.

Some of those seem pretty bang bang but there are several in that video where I think we can all see the body is twisting in ways that aren’t ideal.

Well, yeah, and I've already said twice now that most of the examples in the rugby video are exactly the kind of tackle the NFL should ban. Such as the one Pat was the recipient of a couple seasons ago. That one was blatantly meant to injure, imo.

It's the other ones I'm concerned about that are basically the only way that defender is making that tackle in that situation.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think you start with a broad definition, over-enforce it in the preseason, use primarily fines (not penalties) early on… and see how coaches adapt.

Btw, this is a crappy plan. Basically you're saying we just need to get used to shitty reffing because of shitty rules to watch bad games early in the season and hope they sort it out as the seasons wears on. And then rinse and repeat every year forward, I guess?

[jerryaldini]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

https://youtu.be/5KJ9mCbS3rU?si=078ye8udUjAAh9oT
This is a pretty interesting video looking at it from a rugby perspective. The main theme is just trying to avoid tackles that put lots of pressure on the knees and lower body. Football is of course a different animal but a lot of interesting thoughts here.

Every time I see a guys legs pinned under with upper body twisting I cringe.

Those are great video examples. We see guys doing it intentionally. After watching the video watch this one on Mahomes again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLBKHbbYBXQ