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Old 03-25-2024, 02:57 PM   #1
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This is a pretty interesting video looking at it from a rugby perspective. The main theme is just trying to avoid tackles that put lots of pressure on the knees and lower body. Football is of course a different animal but a lot of interesting thoughts here.

Every time I see a guys legs pinned under with upper body twisting I cringe.


Look, I've said a hundred times that I hate the drop tackle. I'm not advocating for keeping drop tackles. I'm asking, in reference to that clip above, just what are those defenders supposed to do? I get flagging the first one; it's basically exactly the same as the ones in the rugby video. That shit needs to go.

But the two I pointed out, and several others in the video, are just tackles, imo. So tell me, just what are they supposed to do in those other cases?
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Old 03-25-2024, 03:19 PM   #2
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Look, I've said a hundred times that I hate the drop tackle. I'm not advocating for keeping drop tackles. I'm asking, in reference to that clip above, just what are those defenders supposed to do? I get flagging the first one; it's basically exactly the same as the ones in the rugby video. That shit needs to go.

But the two I pointed out, and several others in the video, are just tackles, imo. So tell me, just what are they supposed to do in those other cases?
I think you start with a broad definition, over-enforce it in the preseason, use primarily fines (not penalties) early on… and see how coaches adapt. Some of those examples seem pretty broad. But using that rugby video there seems to be a few with grabbing that seemed borderline horse collar and several examples of pinning the knees down where it’s suggested tacklers should try to use the ground instead of the players knees. Sometimes that’s unavoidable but maybe just overemphasizing different techniques will make it less common.

Some of those seem pretty bang bang but there are several in that video where I think we can all see the body is twisting in ways that aren’t ideal.
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I think you start with a broad definition, over-enforce it in the preseason, use primarily fines (not penalties) early on… and see how coaches adapt. Some of those examples seem pretty broad. But using that rugby video there seems to be a few with grabbing that seemed borderline horse collar and several examples of pinning the knees down where it’s suggested tacklers should try to use the ground instead of the players knees. Sometimes that’s unavoidable but maybe just overemphasizing different techniques will make it less common.

Some of those seem pretty bang bang but there are several in that video where I think we can all see the body is twisting in ways that aren’t ideal.


Well, yeah, and I've already said twice now that most of the examples in the rugby video are exactly the kind of tackle the NFL should ban. Such as the one Pat was the recipient of a couple seasons ago. That one was blatantly meant to injure, imo.

It's the other ones I'm concerned about that are basically the only way that defender is making that tackle in that situation.
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Well, yeah, and I've already said twice now that most of the examples in the rugby video are exactly the kind of tackle the NFL should ban. Such as the one Pat was the recipient of a couple seasons ago. That one was blatantly meant to injure, imo.

It's the other ones I'm concerned about that are basically the only way that defender is making that tackle in that situation.
The nfl needs to do more than just release a video. I agree some of those examples look too borderline to enforce. Talk with the players union about what’s reasonable. If fines are involved you’d have to think they’ll be loud about this. Maybe that video at some point turns into half. Because there are several examples where you can see how the grab from behind and pinning down with the other players legs is stuff you can actually de-emphasize.

It will be a little ugly at first. Kind of like the pitch clock in baseball. I’d rather they get their ducks in a row first but at this point I’m also kinda used to the nfl kind of storming and norming major rule changes
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I think you start with a broad definition, over-enforce it in the preseason, use primarily fines (not penalties) early on… and see how coaches adapt.



Btw, this is a crappy plan. Basically you're saying we just need to get used to shitty reffing because of shitty rules to watch bad games early in the season and hope they sort it out as the seasons wears on. And then rinse and repeat every year forward, I guess?
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Btw, this is a crappy plan. Basically you're saying we just need to get used to shitty reffing because of shitty rules to watch bad games early in the season and hope they sort it out as the seasons wears on. And then rinse and repeat every year forward, I guess?
No I think use the preseason to overemphasize to see how this looks in action. During the season I prefer using small fines and warnings early on instead of penalties that could get hog wild. Use the early days as teaching opportunities for both refs and players.

I imagine the nfl will instead overemphasize rules early in the season in general. It’s not my favorite approach but we’ve seen this so many times where the league tries to emphasize something early (see jawaan Taylor false starts) then dials it back when they realize it’s severely disrupting flow of game. As bad as nfl officiating is I trust that they don’t want this to lead to a flag fest anymore than we do.
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