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Old 04-02-2004, 10:53 AM  
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Lakers will win the world champioship again.

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I have to say that the Lakers having won 10 straight seem to be better than any of the last championship teams. Not only that but they are relaxed and having fun like none of the other teams ever have. It's weird watching Kobe joking with Shaq and Carl and Payton. The confidence is just oozing out of their pours. It's like they already know they have won it all. The D is playing great. Offensive boards are off the scale. This team has just beginning to gel and they are already unbeatable IMO. The only thing that can stop them now is a major injury or two.
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Old 06-15-2004, 10:22 PM   #586
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There isn't any other way to put it...the Pistons are/were better. The Pistons were a team, they have more talent, and most importantly play better defense.

And I hope all the Kobe/MJ comparisons stop now. Like I've said many times, Kobe isn't even in MJ's zip code, let alone country. Kobe won't ever be the player MJ was because of his selfishness, lack of leadership skills, and inconsistent play both offensively and defensively. Dude just isn't as good as a lot of people say. Anyone who takes Kobe's side should is ignorant. It's not legitament. You won't win.

And I hope we all got a chance to see the Lakers win those titles these last couple of years, because it won't be happening again for awhile. This team is done together. Kobe won't be back, he'll either be in jail or playing for another team. Payton will leave. Phil Jackson is tired of these malcontents that won't listen to him, is it that hard to give Shaq the ball, Kobe? You're not as good as Shaq! Malone won't be back because no one else is coming back. Shaq is staying but that's about it. They're done.
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Old 06-15-2004, 11:03 PM   #587
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There isn't any other way to put it...the Pistons are/were better. The Pistons were a team, they have more talent, and most importantly play better defense.

And I hope all the Kobe/MJ comparisons stop now. Like I've said many times, Kobe isn't even in MJ's zip code, let alone country. Kobe won't ever be the player MJ was because of his selfishness, lack of leadership skills, and inconsistent play both offensively and defensively. Dude just isn't as good as a lot of people say. Anyone who takes Kobe's side should is ignorant. It's not legitament. You won't win.

And I hope we all got a chance to see the Lakers win those titles these last couple of years, because it won't be happening again for awhile. This team is done together. Kobe won't be back, he'll either be in jail or playing for another team. Payton will leave. Phil Jackson is tired of these malcontents that won't listen to him, is it that hard to give Shaq the ball, Kobe? You're not as good as Shaq! Malone won't be back because no one else is coming back. Shaq is staying but that's about it. They're done.
Cody,

Kobe is only 25 won't be 26 until August. Michael did not win his first NBA championship until he was 28 in 1992 (born 63). Kobe already has 3 at age 25 and 4 finals appearences. That selfishness will likely disappear with age and maturity something he does not have as of yet. You sell Kobe short when you forget how young he is and what he has already accomplished.
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Old 06-15-2004, 11:13 PM   #588
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Cody,

Kobe is only 25 won't be 26 until August. Michael did not win his first NBA championship until he was 28 in 1992 (born 63). Kobe already has 3 at age 25 and 4 finals appearences. That selfishness will likely disappear with age and maturity something he does not have as of yet. You sell Kobe short when you forget how young he is and what he has already accomplished.
Without Shaq, no ring. He helped, yes, but the role players stepped up a lot. Kobe choked on the bone this series. The Finals. Jordan didn't ever do that. Jordan didn't ever get stopped. Jordan didn't ever get held to 1 point in a half of a finals game or ever. But I don't hold that against Kobe too much, he is too hyped up, he can't and won't ever live up to what Jordan has accomplished...dude's the best ever.

As far as Championships go, he won't be getting anymore. He's leaving LA. He wants to be "the man." He may or may not improve as a player, but it won't be to Jordan's level.
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Old 06-15-2004, 11:16 PM   #589
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Without Shaq, no ring. He helped, yes, but the role players stepped up a lot. Kobe choked on the bone this series. The Finals. Jordan didn't ever do that. Jordan didn't ever get stopped. Jordan didn't ever get held to 1 point in a half of a finals game or ever. But I don't hold that against Kobe too much, he is too hyped up, he can't and won't ever live up to what Jordan has accomplished...dude's the best ever.

As far as Championships go, he won't be getting anymore. He's leaving LA. He wants to be "the man." He may or may not improve as a player, but it won't be to Jordan's level.
At Cody's idol worship. Corey Dillon is the NFL superstar that got the Chiefs offense going too.
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Old 06-15-2004, 11:20 PM   #590
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By the way, Kobe had Shaq and they still lost? Jordan didn't have Shaq. hehe
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Old 06-15-2004, 11:29 PM   #591
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By the way, Kobe had Shaq and they still lost? Jordan didn't have Shaq. hehe
Jordan used the same method - 3 large centers strictly designed to foul and score underneath.
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Old 06-15-2004, 11:58 PM   #592
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Jordan is my favourite player of all time and I DO think Kobe is approaching his level. Yes Kobe has Shaq, however, Jordan had one of espn's 50 greatest players ever, Scottie Pippen, in his prime, along with Horace Grant and a much deeper bench than the current Lakers. Kobe is not the player Jordan was yet, but I wouldn't be suprised if he gets there soon. His offense cannot be questioned AND he is a superb defender.
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Old 06-16-2004, 12:00 AM   #593
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Jordan is my favourite player of all time and I DO think Kobe is approaching his level. Yes Kobe has Shaq, however, Jordan had one of espn's 50 greatest players ever, Scottie Pippen, in his prime, along with Horace Grant and a much deeper bench than the current Lakers. Kobe is not the player Jordan was yet, but I wouldn't be suprised if he gets there soon. His offense cannot be questioned AND he is a superb defender.
ESPN made an error. Pippen is/was nobody without Jordan.
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Jordan is my favourite player of all time and I DO think Kobe is approaching his level. Yes Kobe has Shaq, however, Jordan had one of espn's 50 greatest players ever, Scottie Pippen, in his prime, along with Horace Grant and a much deeper bench than the current Lakers. Kobe is not the player Jordan was yet, but I wouldn't be suprised if he gets there soon. His offense cannot be questioned AND he is a superb defender.
Kobe isn't even close yet. When MJ's shot wasn't falling he'd drive to the hoop. That would get him going. Kobe just keeps shooting and shooting. Kobe isn't even close to the defender Jordan was either. At least not yet, but he's got some years to go.
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ESPN made an error. Pippen is/was nobody without Jordan.
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Congratulations Pistons fans. I was hacked at the calls in this game again but it really didn't matter as the Lakers never showed up in this series. The Pistons beat them on both ends of the ball and on the boards. They were definately the better team in this series and deserve to be world champions. Once again congratulations Piston's fans.
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Congratulations Pistons fans. I was hacked at the calls in this game again but it really didn't matter as the Lakers never showed up in this series. The Pistons beat them on both ends of the ball and on the boards. They were definately the better team in this series and deserve to be world champions. Once again congratulations Piston's fans.

Thanks BG for showing up and being a loser with class......SO what moves do you think the Lakers will make this offseason?? Malone, Payton and Kobe gone for sure?
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Congratulations Pistons fans. I was hacked at the calls in this game again but it really didn't matter as the Lakers never showed up in this series. The Pistons beat them on both ends of the ball and on the boards. They were definately the better team in this series and deserve to be world champions. Once again congratulations Piston's fans.
I'm no Piston's fan; but I was happy to see the Lakers go down.

Gracious gesture on your part BD...
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Thanks BG for showing up and being a loser with class......SO what moves do you think the Lakers will make this offseason?? Malone, Payton and Kobe gone for sure?
Payton is gone for sure. If Malone doesn't retire there is a chance he will stay but not if Kobe leaves. I have no real feel for Kobe on this. If I was going to bet though I would say he is leaving. I am interested on Phil's take at this point. They need to go get some younger talent. Speed or the lack of it in this series killed them.
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