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Old 12-19-2024, 01:00 PM  
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Look at the year Xavier Worthy could be having
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Old 12-19-2024, 02:36 PM   #31
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Our quarterback has been put on the ground more than some running backs this year.

You think Eli Manning beat Brady twice because he was the better quarterback? That Giants pass rush hounded Brady relentlessly and they couldn't protect him.

I don't give a **** who you put back there. If he's gotta even think that there's gonna be a free rusher, then his mind is on who is going to **** this play up on the o line, and not on reading the defense and finding the open guy.

Moreover, if his head coach is going to refuse to ease that pressure with the run threat, and just call strings of passes to let these guys practice pinning their ears back, them the results aren't going to be good.
Which ones?
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Old 12-19-2024, 02:39 PM   #32
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Without elite pass catchers, Pat has been an average to above average qb

True or false?
MVP in 2022 with a pretty average WR group. The difference? Much better LT situation with Orlando Brown compared to the shit show we've seen this year.
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Old 12-19-2024, 02:46 PM   #33
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Seems like the early rash of interceptions rattled Mahomes a bit. Feels like he's throwing a lot of passes with the mindset of avoiding INTs more than completing the pass. Especially on intermediate and deep routes. I get throwing the ball where only your guy can catch it, but he seems to be taking that a bit too far since all the early INTs this season.

That being said, I have full confidence that Patrick will figure it out and get right.
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Old 12-19-2024, 02:48 PM   #34
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Our quarterback has been put on the ground more than some running backs this year.

You think Eli Manning beat Brady twice because he was the better quarterback? That Giants pass rush hounded Brady relentlessly and they couldn't protect him.

I don't give a **** who you put back there. If he's gotta even think that there's gonna be a free rusher, then his mind is on who is going to **** this play up on the o line, and not on reading the defense and finding the open guy.

Moreover, if his head coach is going to refuse to ease that pressure with the run threat, and just call strings of passes to let these guys practice pinning their ears back, them the results aren't going to be good.
There is no run threat. That's why teams are playing everything short. They don't respect our run game at all. Outside of a couple of runs by Pacheco, the Chiefs are mostly 2 yards and a cloud of dust. Leaning on that in the playoffs will get you beat.
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Old 12-19-2024, 02:51 PM   #35
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Early on in his career one of Pat’s biggest strengths was that his eyes would NEVER drop. He was an expert at navigating the pocket and keeping his eyes scanning downfield.

Now at the slightest sign of pressure, and sometimes even when there’s no pressure, he drops his eyes and panics.

He just doesn’t see the field anymore.

I believe if we can give him good tackle play again he can work his way out of it, but he’s really developed some bad habits the last couple years that I’m afraid are going to be hard to break.

Veach has to go all out in trying to find a solution for the tackles. May have to overpay, but we can’t let the franchise keep getting physically and psychologically beat up like this.
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Didnt he win 2 super bowls and a mvp without Hill?
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He was elite in 2022 and his WR1 was JuJu
Would you consider his tight end an elite pass catcher? Is he still elite?
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Any QB ever is not as good without star players

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Not as good, sure.

This kind of drop off ? Eh
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Not as good, sure.

This kind of drop off ? Eh
Exactly.

Where are the star players on Buffalo?

And Allen is about to win MVP.
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Mahomes won back-to-back SB’s with average at best WR’s and a rookie (Rice).

Are we really doing this?
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Exactly.

Where are the star players on Buffalo?

And Allen is about to win MVP.
Allen has had a healthy Dion Dawkins his entire career. Dawkins is pretty damn good on the blind side and has managed to stay healthy for 99% of the games over the last 6+ years. When Josh drops back, it sure seems like he has plenty of time to throw. Mahomes has had 4 different dudes at LT this year and 6 of them in the last 3 years.
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Exactly.

Where are the star players on Buffalo?

And Allen is about to win MVP.
Josh Allen has been sacked a career low 13 times.

Patrick Mahomes has already been sacked a career high 35 times and there are still 3 games left.

do you get it now?
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Josh Allen has been sacked a career low 13 times.

Patrick Mahomes has already been sacked a career high 35 times and there are still 3 games left.

do you get it now?
Oh I get it. Left tackle is a huge problem.

The posts original point was about Tyreek being gone and Kelce declining though. Our pass catching group I would argue is better than Buffalo’s.

If the difference between Allen and Mahomes is truly left tackle play, and there’s a chance it largely is, then there shouldn’t be a price that Veach isn’t willing to pay to get an absolute wall there this offseason.
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Oh I get it. Left tackle is a huge problem.

The posts original point was about Tyreek being gone and Kelce declining though. Our pass catching group I would argue is better than Buffalo’s.

If the difference between Allen and Mahomes is truly left tackle play, and there’s a chance it largely is, then there shouldn’t be a price that Veach isn’t willing to pay to get an absolute wall there this offseason.
LT is a big part of it. I think RT is part of it as well. Taylor is $20M per year and doesn’t play like that. Might have been better off with Andrew Wiley at $8M per year and keeping Orlando Brown instead of the current situation.
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MVP in 2022 with a pretty average WR group. The difference? Much better LT situation with Orlando Brown compared to the shit show we've seen this year.
Plus, that may well have been Kelce’s best season. He was insane that year.

Kelce’s decline hurts, because he’s still getting a similar number of targets to years past. Problem is that each of those targets results in less production than before.

Hope he sticks it out for another year, but his workload needs to decrease.
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