Football Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes? - Page 37

Deberg_1990 · 11-28-2019, 06:55 PM

We are starting to see some people saying Josh Allen is/will be better than Patrick Mahomes. I think it’s ridiculous, but there are people that feel that way. I was wondering if anyone here would choose Josh over Mahomes. So the choice is simple: who would you rather have as QB for the next 12 years? Allen Or Mahomes?

ForeverIowan · 01-20-2025, 08:27 AM

Allen is the second best QB in the league and I dont think 3rd is really even close. If Mahomes wins again this weekend will Bills fans give the Allen is better than Mahomes talk a rest? If Mahomes wins the next two games and balls out in the SB..

2nd most playoff wins EVER from QB (29 years old)
7 consecutive AFCCG
5 Super Bowl Appearances
4 x SB Champion
4 x SB MVP
2 x regular season MVP

What has Josh Allen done? Please list his accomplishments. He sure throws the ball hard and runs fast for a quarterback though. I will admit at times it is impressive. Mahomes is the best postseason QB in literally every.single.meaningful.statistic. The bigger the game, the better he plays. How quickly Bills fans forget that. You weren't impressed by our offense this year? Good. That isnt the offense you will see on Sunday.

crayzkirk · 01-20-2025, 08:46 AM

Josh has the physical skills to be as good as Patrick, what I believe separates them is the mental ability to think under pressure and make the right decision. Not that josh is less intelligent, some people have the ability to act calm under pressure. Similar to a driver who simply slams on the brakes in a critical situation instead of steering around the problem if that is the correct course of action. The problem is that the initial action is taken before there's time to consider if it's the right thing to do. And if you are on a slick surface, the decision puts you on a path that you can't change.

If the Chiefs had drafted Josh Allen, which is a crazy idea since they already gave up their draft pick the prior year for Patrick, I believe the Chiefs would have won the first SuperBowl where the big plays played big part. Since then, the Chiefs have become a much more methodical offense and I'm not convinced the Josh would be as successful at that.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-20-2025, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by crayzkirk

Josh has the physical skills to be as good as Patrick, what I believe separates them is the mental ability to think under pressure and make the right decision. Not that josh is less intelligent, some people have the ability to act calm under pressure. Similar to a driver who simply slams on the brakes in a critical situation instead of steering around the problem if that is the correct course of action. The problem is that the initial action is taken before there's time to consider if it's the right thing to do. And if you are on a slick surface, the decision puts you on a path that you can't change.

If the Chiefs had drafted Josh Allen, which is a crazy idea since they already gave up their draft pick the prior year for Patrick, I believe the Chiefs would have won the first SuperBowl where the big plays played big part. Since then, the Chiefs have become a much more methodical offense and I'm not convinced the Josh would be as successful at that.

It really is all these intangibles that sets mahomes apart in a league where we’ve been blessed with some really good QBs. As great as Mahomes is physically what used to set him apart doesn’t as much anymore. He’s elusive… enough. Lots of other guys with a rocket arm and off platform shit. He just has a mental edge both as a leader AND a teammate.

And josh Allen is a perfect example of how hidden Mahomes’ talent is. Because Allen has all these things too. Mahomes is just better in ways that are hard to describe. Casuals still want to see mahomes highlight reel and miss that he’s got this MJ mentality to back it up.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-20-2025, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

Allen is the second best QB in the league and I dont think 3rd is really even close. If Mahomes wins again this weekend will Bills fans give the Allen is better than Mahomes talk a rest? If Mahomes wins the next two games and balls out in the SB..

2nd most playoff wins EVER from QB (29 years old)
7 consecutive AFCCG
5 Super Bowl Appearances
4 x SB Champion
4 x SB MVP
2 x regular season MVP

What has Josh Allen done? Please list his accomplishments. He sure throws the ball hard and runs fast for a quarterback though. I will admit at times it is impressive. Mahomes is the best postseason QB in literally every.single.meaningful.statistic. The bigger the game, the better he plays. How quickly Bills fans forget that. You weren't impressed by our offense this year? Good. That isnt the offense you will see on Sunday.

In his last 4 playoff losses he’s lost to the chiefs 3 times and the afc champ bengals. One of those losses was the 13 second game and another was a missed FG. It’s not like he’s Herbert-ing it out there with 50 picks. Just because Peyton couldn’t beat Brady doesn’t mean he wasn’t an elite qb. He is an elite qb who just hasn’t beat the same qb 31 other teams in the league can’t beat. It is a testament to Mahomes’ greatness if anything that an elite qb like josh Allen can’t get past him

Deberg_1990 · 01-20-2025, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

In his last 4 playoff losses he’s lost to the chiefs 3 times and the afc champ bengals. One of those losses was the 13 second game and another was a missed FG. It’s not like he’s Herbert-ing it out there with 50 picks. Just because Peyton couldn’t beat Brady doesn’t mean he wasn’t an elite qb. He is an elite qb who just hasn’t beat the same qb 31 other teams in the league can’t beat. It is a testament to Mahomes’ greatness if anything that an elite qb like josh Allen can’t get past him

Well said. Exactly.

Allen is going to win one eventually. Just like Peyton did.

**RollChiefsRoll** · 01-20-2025, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Well said. Exactly.

Allen is going to win one eventually. Just like Peyton did.

No, he’s not.

Rainbarrel · 01-20-2025, 09:33 AM

Mahomes first game was against horses in Denver. Josh's first time was with horses in Wyoming

warpaint* · 01-20-2025, 10:39 AM

In terms of purely physical attributes Josh Allen is the best qb in the league.

Mahomes, in addition to otherworldly talent (really the only thing Allen has on him physically IMO is size - Mahomes can't truck dudes the way Josh can) is a gamer & to date the most clutch qb of all time, to the point the man is his own statistical anomaly, a fact that cannot be overstated. Combining that with his enormous physical abilities & leadership traits (perhaps the most underrated aspect of his game) he is easily the best player in the league.

#3 is Burrow & he's not close to #2.

Mahomes has the better head coach & dc. McDermott seems like a fine coach but no one's confusing him for an all timer. One of these years Buffalo is going to get us but you'll never go broke betting on the Chiefs as long as the hc, front office, dc, & qb remain the same & I'm not doing it this week either.

**RollChiefsRoll** · 01-20-2025, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by warpaint*

Mahomes can't truck dudes the way Josh can

Tell that to Malik Mustapha.

ForeverIowan · 01-20-2025, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

In his last 4 playoff losses he’s lost to the chiefs 3 times and the afc champ bengals. One of those losses was the 13 second game and another was a missed FG. It’s not like he’s Herbert-ing it out there with 50 picks. Just because Peyton couldn’t beat Brady doesn’t mean he wasn’t an elite qb. He is an elite qb who just hasn’t beat the same qb 31 other teams in the league can’t beat. It is a testament to Mahomes’ greatness if anything that an elite qb like josh Allen can’t get past him

I never said Allen is not elite. I said he is the 2ne best QB in the league...by far. He is elite. Mahomes and Allen are in a league of their own currently.

What is ludicrous is the fact Bills fans claim Allen is the better QB. I simply pointed out the fact the what SEPARATES Mahomes from Allen. If Mahomes wins his next two games...the below is thr second most accomplished career the game has ever seen. Mahomes is 29 years old.

7 consecutive conference title games.
5 Super Bowl appearances
4 x Super Bowl Champion
4 x Super Bowl MVP
2 x Regular Season MVP
Only team to ever 3 peat
QB of the greatest dynasty the league has ever known..

Again, win the next two games and that is the story. Excuse me if I find it utterly freaking ridiculous to claim Allen is the better QB.

**RealSNR** · 01-20-2025, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

In his last 4 playoff losses he’s lost to the chiefs 3 times and the afc champ bengals. One of those losses was the 13 second game and another was a missed FG. It’s not like he’s Herbert-ing it out there with 50 picks. Just because Peyton couldn’t beat Brady doesn’t mean he wasn’t an elite qb. He is an elite qb who just hasn’t beat the same qb 31 other teams in the league can’t beat. It is a testament to Mahomes’ greatness if anything that an elite qb like josh Allen can’t get past him

Allen had poor decision making on that last drive and had a couple turnovers in the missed FG game. And if Bass makes it, it only ties the game, and Mahomes still has plenty of time to Mahomes the Bills in the ass yet again.

That game wasn't all Allen's fault, but I'd actually place more blame on Allen than on their idiot kicker.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-20-2025, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

I never said Allen is not elite. I said he is the 2ne best QB in the league...by far. He is elite. Mahomes and Allen are in a league of their own currently.

What is ludicrous is the fact Bills fans claim Allen is the better QB. I simply pointed out the fact the what SEPARATES Mahomes from Allen. If Mahomes wins his next two games...the below is thr second most accomplished career the game has ever seen. Mahomes is 29 years old.

7 consecutive conference title games.
5 Super Bowl appearances
4 x Super Bowl Champion
4 x Super Bowl MVP
2 x Regular Season MVP
Only team to ever 3 peat
QB of the greatest dynasty the league has ever known..

Again, win the next two games and that is the story. Excuse me if I find it utterly freaking ridiculous to claim Allen is the better QB.

Oh yeah, without question Mahomes is the better qb. I agree.

MahomesKnows · 01-20-2025, 12:36 PM

Claiming Allen to be the better QB and having a better record against us in the regular season is all they have to cling to. They might actually believe Allen is better, but every single one of them would prefer to have Mahomes' accomplishments more.

CaptainMorgan · 01-20-2025, 12:38 PM

Mahomes has competitive greatness on a level that is unmatched. It raises everyone around him. Mahomes is what you get when the competitive greatness is also matched by elite talent.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-20-2025, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Allen had poor decision making on that last drive and had a couple turnovers in the missed FG game. And if Bass makes it, it only ties the game, and Mahomes still has plenty of time to Mahomes the Bills in the ass yet again.

That game wasn't all Allen's fault, but I'd actually place more blame on Allen than on their idiot kicker.

Sure but you’re talking about a few mistakes here and there in two performances where the chiefs demanded perfection. We obliterated their defense. And yet in the grand scheme he was a fart away from bringing both games to OT. It’s like getting on Jalen hurts for one fumble in the Super Bowl even though he put up an absurd 35 points.

For the past few years after the highlight reels went away our measure of Mahomes’ greatness is that he finds ways to win games. But part of that also means after a bad performance, mecole hardman finds a way to not **** up in a huge moment. Toney/skyy take their heads out of their asses for a quick moment. We can blame Lamar all we want, but isnt that mecole TD pass mostly the same pass that Andrews dropped? How many misses like bass’s can we remember from playoff butker? I can’t fault a qb when on the very very last possession he does exactly what he was supposed to do and his teammate flubs a layup. Bass can’t miss that kick. Buffalos defense can’t give up a score in 13 seconds. Regardless of how Allen played all game he set it up on a tee and professionals swung and missed.

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ForeverIowan Veteran Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $-459600	Allen is the second best QB in the league and I dont think 3rd is really even close. If Mahomes wins again this weekend will Bills fans give the Allen is better than Mahomes talk a rest? If Mahomes wins the next two games and balls out in the SB.. 2nd most playoff wins EVER from QB (29 years old) 7 consecutive AFCCG 5 Super Bowl Appearances 4 x SB Champion 4 x SB MVP 2 x regular season MVP What has Josh Allen done? Please list his accomplishments. He sure throws the ball hard and runs fast for a quarterback though. I will admit at times it is impressive. Mahomes is the best postseason QB in literally every.single.meaningful.statistic. The bigger the game, the better he plays. How quickly Bills fans forget that. You weren't impressed by our offense this year? Good. That isnt the offense you will see on Sunday.
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crayzkirk MVP Join Date: Nov 2016 Casino cash: $1070000	Josh has the physical skills to be as good as Patrick, what I believe separates them is the mental ability to think under pressure and make the right decision. Not that josh is less intelligent, some people have the ability to act calm under pressure. Similar to a driver who simply slams on the brakes in a critical situation instead of steering around the problem if that is the correct course of action. The problem is that the initial action is taken before there's time to consider if it's the right thing to do. And if you are on a slick surface, the decision puts you on a path that you can't change. If the Chiefs had drafted Josh Allen, which is a crazy idea since they already gave up their draft pick the prior year for Patrick, I believe the Chiefs would have won the first SuperBowl where the big plays played big part. Since then, the Chiefs have become a much more methodical offense and I'm not convinced the Josh would be as successful at that.
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warpaint* Facts are stubborn things. Join Date: Dec 2008 Casino cash: $4684900	In terms of purely physical attributes Josh Allen is the best qb in the league. Mahomes, in addition to otherworldly talent (really the only thing Allen has on him physically IMO is size - Mahomes can't truck dudes the way Josh can) is a gamer & to date the most clutch qb of all time, to the point the man is his own statistical anomaly, a fact that cannot be overstated. Combining that with his enormous physical abilities & leadership traits (perhaps the most underrated aspect of his game) he is easily the best player in the league. #3 is Burrow & he's not close to #2. Mahomes has the better head coach & dc. McDermott seems like a fine coach but no one's confusing him for an all timer. One of these years Buffalo is going to get us but you'll never go broke betting on the Chiefs as long as the hc, front office, dc, & qb remain the same & I'm not doing it this week either.
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