Why not move Shields to RT and Welby to RG? - Page 2

BigChiefFan · 09-14-2004, 12:08 PM

Just a thought, but Shields did a very good job when he played LT, he already plays the right side so convential wisdom says he might be even better as a RT compared to LT. Welbourne has taken the majority of his regular season snaps as a guard, so why not try it? IMO, it couldn't hurt because Welby is struggling as the RT. Thoughts?

**morphius** · 09-14-2004, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Why would you move Shields from his RG spot? It doesn't make any sense what so ever. None. Why mess with any of our 4 O Lineman already in place? It makes zero sense.

Welbourn has played both LG and RT in his career, more so LG. But he was eager to make the move to RT to become a starter. You don't shift an offensive line around that's been solid the past three seasons. It makes no sense.

You would do it if your RT wasn't holding up and you had someone who gets paid like a tackle, and has the ability to be one right there. Sure it isn't ideal, and probably doesn't need to be done right now. You have said that you don't move lineman around, but Welborn was a guard, and you we don't even know that Bober, also a converted guard, could step in.

JohnnyV13 · 09-14-2004, 02:11 PM

If I recall correctly,

Denver plays Trevor Pryce over the right tackle. That's a much tougher than usual matchup in the pass rush for a right tackle. Of course, things won't get any easier this week vs. Carolina, when Welbourn has to block Mike Rucker.

Thinks of this period as Welbourn's trial by fire. He hasn't played RT in 4 years. He's likely rusty and will be burned. But, he will get better.

**Lzen** · 09-14-2004, 02:14 PM

If Welbourn doesn't improve soon, I think it would be worth a try.

And for those that think John did a good job (other than penalties), try watching the game again. He was getting beaten like a drum for most of the first half. He seemed to do better in the 2nd half, though.

htismaqe · 09-14-2004, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

If Welbourn doesn't improve soon, I think it would be worth a try.

And for those that think John did a good job (other than penalties), try watching the game again. He was getting beaten like a drum for most of the first half. He seemed to do better in the 2nd half, though.

You're watching one game, against Trevor Pryce.

Watch LAST YEAR'S game. You'll notice that, even though Welbourn didn't look GOOD by any stretch of the imagination, he didn't look considerably worse than John Tait.

Mark M · 09-14-2004, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lazarus

yes....

and yes, we should of put Welborn at guard and shields at right tackle from the very beginning on the year. i figured that the chiefs were going to do that and said as much back when they made the trade.

but now it's too late ... you dont wanna jack around with a bunch of offensive line moves during the season.

Exactly.

While I see what BCF is getting out, and have to give him credit for some creative thinking, I say Welbourn will be find once he adjusts to the new position.

After all, it's not like Tait never got burned, especially against a great DLineman like Pryce (who, IIRC was a Chief at one time, wasn't he? Or am I wrong on that?).

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go bo · 09-14-2004, 02:29 PM

i didn't think welbourn got beat physically so much as needing to master the techniques of playing in space at rt, vs. playing interior line...

**Lzen** · 09-14-2004, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by go bo

i didn't think welbourn got beat physically so much as needing to master the techniques of playing in space at rt, vs. playing interior line...

That's probably the most important thing. I'm still holding out hope. It's not like he is a crap lineman. But Denver made him look like crap. And frankly, he hasn't looked that great all preseason at RT.

BigChiefFan · 09-14-2004, 04:53 PM

Just a thought, but Shields did a very good job when he played LT, he already plays the right side so convential wisdom says he might be even better as a RT compared to LT. Welbourne has taken the majority of his regular season snaps as a guard, so why not try it? IMO, it couldn't hurt because Welby is struggling as the RT. Thoughts?

BigChiefFan · 09-14-2004, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Sorry to be so blunt, but that is a very dumb idea. How many years has Shields been playing RG? Talk about srewing up a consistent thing.

You don't move lineman around. You find a spot for them, and that's where they play. Roaf, Waters, Wieigmann, and Shields are all cemented and used to each other. Don't move them around.

Like someone said earlier, Welbourn (no E at the end) will pick it up in the passing game, or Bober will step in.

Very dumb move? How can this be a dumb move when we have actually moved Shields to LT before? I don't think you are being objective or open-minded enough. I'm not saying to give up on Welby, but we can't continue to struggle and lose games because of one players struggles. It's just a thought and one that has some merit to it.

KHinz57 · 09-14-2004, 05:01 PM

I just don't like the idea of seeing Will Shields anywhere but Right Guard where he has been for all of his career. The idea could probably work, it may be looked at, but I say don't mess with a good thing.

BigChiefFan · 09-14-2004, 05:03 PM

Please delete this duplicate thread.

Chiefnj · 09-14-2004, 05:08 PM

You don't move a guard to tackle. That would be dumb. Oh wait, that's what we did with Welbourn.

I think they will certainly consider doing it if Peppers has a big game and forces Trent to play like he did against the Broncos.

I'm still of the opinion that Green got his bell rung on the big pass play and was a bit air headed the rest of the game.

ChiefsCountry · 09-14-2004, 06:10 PM

Willie Roaf was getting beat alot too and had several pentlies on him. It wasn't just Welbourn.

Calcountry · 09-14-2004, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by booger

Nope.

We do alot of pulling with all of our lineman especially guards, and Shields is one of the best at what he does. Either Welbourn will get it or Bober will get some reps at RT.

I guess Tait is going to be missed more than we thought. :

whoman69 · 09-14-2004, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Sorry to be so blunt, but that is a very dumb idea. How many years has Shields been playing RG? Talk about srewing up a consistent thing.

You don't move lineman around. You find a spot for them, and that's where they play. Roaf, Waters, Wieigmann, and Shields are all cemented and used to each other. Don't move them around.

Like someone said earlier, Welbourn (no E at the end) will pick it up in the passing game, or Bober will step in.

You adopted this guy. You're supposed to defend him more than that.

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JohnnyV13 Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tucson AZ Casino cash: $5385200	If I recall correctly, Denver plays Trevor Pryce over the right tackle. That's a much tougher than usual matchup in the pass rush for a right tackle. Of course, things won't get any easier this week vs. Carolina, when Welbourn has to block Mike Rucker. Thinks of this period as Welbourn's trial by fire. He hasn't played RT in 4 years. He's likely rusty and will be burned. But, he will get better.
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Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	You don't move a guard to tackle. That would be dumb. Oh wait, that's what we did with Welbourn. I think they will certainly consider doing it if Peppers has a big game and forces Trent to play like he did against the Broncos. I'm still of the opinion that Green got his bell rung on the big pass play and was a bit air headed the rest of the game. __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07)
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