The biggest reason our offense was great was the O-Line, Herm didn't ruin it. - Page 4

Red Dawg · 12-20-2006, 07:04 AM

Herm has not ruined our offense. We don't have a dominate line anymore which has led to less yardage in the air and on the ground. Couple that with mediocre WR's and a suspect FB and this is what you get.

Trent is looking old as well. His arm no longer has the power to go down field. How many throws have hit the ground. How many times against Balt did they run up and knock the ball away from our WR's. We've seen Trnet under throw our guys more than once this year on deep patterns. This is related to arm strength.

Herm deserves a chance to build his team. Get the O-line he wants and get larger more physical WR's that can get the ball without having to be wide open.

At least we know damn well he will get some more beef for the D-line.

htismaqe · 12-20-2006, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Chicken Little posted verifiable evidence of doubts about Roaf's return on 6/23.

Just sayin'...

So basically, we had plenty of LT's to choose from out of all the pro-bowlers that were on the June 1 cut list...

htismaqe · 12-20-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells

Actually,Hermy let both of them go when he came on board..Thomas got gobbled up by the Redskins and he let Young go to the Texans..

Thomas got $4M per and $7M signing bonus from the Redskins. I suppose you can blame that on Herm too. IIRC, Ryan Young had some nagging injuries that led the Jets to believe he was expendable and it turned out to be correct - he missed like 50% of his games over the next 2 seasons after he left.

**2112** · 12-20-2006, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Thomas got $4M per and $7M signing bonus from the Redskins. I suppose you can blame that on Herm too. IIRC, Ryan Young had some nagging injuries that led the Jets to believe he was expendable and it turned out to be correct - he missed like 50% of his games over the next 2 seasons after he left.

Listen....after watching the Chiefs play this year..I can tell you that offensively,thats exactly the same way the Jets played on offense from 2001-2005..the predictability of it is inexcusable..you can be conservative without being predictable.

MOhillbilly · 12-20-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Criticisms or whatever you call it, some are justified and some are just to annoy you.... Why are you so willing to look past Herms history? Because he is the coach of KC? Biggest problem is Herms past is following him wether good or bad. We are seeing the same crap here, that last few years we were laughing at and was so glad he was the Jets problem and not ours. Well now he is here and everyone is laughing at us.

noones laughing at San Diego.

HermIsKing · 12-20-2006, 11:59 AM

Thats right, Herm had difficult problems . to go against . No coach woulda gone to playoffs with this roster Herm needs better players and new cordinators,

Deberg_1990 · 12-20-2006, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells

Listen....after watching the Chiefs play this year..I can tell you that offensively,thats exactly the same way the Jets played on offense from 2001-2005..the predictability of it is inexcusable..you can be conservative without being predictable.

Maybe Paul Hackett isnt so bad after all??

Zouk · 12-20-2006, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells

Listen....after watching the Chiefs play this year..I can tell you that offensively,thats exactly the same way the Jets played on offense from 2001-2005..the predictability of it is inexcusable..you can be conservative without being predictable.

I'd love for you to explain this.

By the way, here's the 1st and 10 stats from last week against the Chargers.

1st half - 7 passes, 7 runs
2nd half - 6 passes, 7 runs

I don't see that as predictable. Shawne Merriman and Luis Castillo being better than John Welbourn - now that's predictable.

FringeNC · 12-20-2006, 12:07 PM

Obviously, Roaf retiring had a huge impact on the offense. But to suggest that Herm is blameless in this debacle is ridiculous. We had a better offense than this the first year Vermeil was here, and that was a new system and that was without Willie Roaf. How to allocate the blame between Roaf's absence and the current coaching staff -- now that's a tough question. I don't know.

What we do know is that Roaf was a hell of a LT, and that Vermeil, Saunders, and Solari working together were special. Saunders seems to miss Solari at Washington, and Solari seems to miss Saunders here, and they both probably miss Vermeil a lot.

As I have stated on other threads, it's not so much that Herm/Solari are incompetent so much as we went from the top offensive braintrust in the league to nothing special.

In this era of a salary cap and free agency, all teams are competitive. What makes winning franchises is good drafting, good cap management, and good coaching. With Vermeil/Saunders/Solari, we had good coaching on the offensive side. Now, we do nothing better than average. The only hope we really have is that Carl hits some home-runs on draft day. Before you laugh, a lot of it is luck....so our only hope is that Carl gets lucky. With this coaching staff, we're certainly not going to be out-coaching the opposition.

HermIsKing · 12-20-2006, 12:09 PM

yeah bill, Herm is'nt predictable he is just too smart not to gamble away games with silly plays like vermeal.

Deberg_1990 · 12-20-2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

=We had a better offense than this the first year Vermeil was here, and that was a new system and that was without Willie Roaf.

Come on. That statement is a litte much.

The team sucked that year. with TrINT and alot of pieces to the puzzle still missing...

Nobody was calling for DV's head after he only won 6 games his first year here.

Herm needs time to show us what he can do and to get his kind of players in here.

**2112** · 12-20-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk

I'd love for you to explain this.

By the way, here's the 1st and 10 stats from last week against the Chargers.

1st half - 7 passes, 7 runs
2nd half - 6 passes, 7 runs

I don't see that as predictable. Shawne Merriman and Luis Castillo being better than John Welbourn - now that's predictable.

If you have 3rd and long as many times as you run on 1st and 2nd down..then those stats make sense..I did not see one play action pass on 1st down..THATS PREDICTABLE!

**2112** · 12-20-2006, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Maybe Paul Hackett isnt so bad after all??

Listen..even Hackett admitted after he left,that ALL IMPORTANT CALLS have to go through Herm first..hence the massive usage of time outs.

Zouk · 12-20-2006, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells

If you have 3rd and long as many times as you run on 1st and 2nd down..then those stats make sense..I did not see one play action pass on 1st down..THATS PREDICTABLE!

I don't understand this response.

In the first half they threw 7 times on 1st and 10. At least 2 (and possibly more) of those were play action throws.

FringeNC · 12-20-2006, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Come on. That statement is a litte much.

The team sucked that year. with TrINT and alot of pieces to the puzzle still missing...

We'd move up and down the field that year. Our problem was we'd get into the red zone, and Trent would throw an interception. That was fixed the next year.

This year, we have big problems just moving the ball.

**2112** · 12-20-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk

I don't understand this response.

In the first half they threw 7 times on 1st and 10. At least 2 (and possibly more) of those were play action throws.

Predictability is not looking at overall stats when the game is over..I saw the Chargers stacking the line with 9-10 guys on 1st and 2nd down..and the Chiefs continued to run the ball..what do you call that??I watched the game.did you?

12-20-2006, 07:04 AM
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $1162858	The biggest reason our offense was great was the O-Line, Herm didn't ruin it. Herm has not ruined our offense. We don't have a dominate line anymore which has led to less yardage in the air and on the ground. Couple that with mediocre WR's and a suspect FB and this is what you get. Trent is looking old as well. His arm no longer has the power to go down field. How many throws have hit the ground. How many times against Balt did they run up and knock the ball away from our WR's. We've seen Trnet under throw our guys more than once this year on deep patterns. This is related to arm strength. Herm deserves a chance to build his team. Get the O-line he wants and get larger more physical WR's that can get the ball without having to be wide open. At least we know damn well he will get some more beef for the D-line.
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12-20-2006, 11:59 AM	#50
HermIsKing Starter Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 1 Arrowhead Drive Casino cash: $10004900	Thats right, Herm had difficult problems . to go against . No coach woulda gone to playoffs with this roster Herm needs better players and new cordinators,
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12-20-2006, 12:07 PM	#53
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1813986	Obviously, Roaf retiring had a huge impact on the offense. But to suggest that Herm is blameless in this debacle is ridiculous. We had a better offense than this the first year Vermeil was here, and that was a new system and that was without Willie Roaf. How to allocate the blame between Roaf's absence and the current coaching staff -- now that's a tough question. I don't know. What we do know is that Roaf was a hell of a LT, and that Vermeil, Saunders, and Solari working together were special. Saunders seems to miss Solari at Washington, and Solari seems to miss Saunders here, and they both probably miss Vermeil a lot. As I have stated on other threads, it's not so much that Herm/Solari are incompetent so much as we went from the top offensive braintrust in the league to nothing special. In this era of a salary cap and free agency, all teams are competitive. What makes winning franchises is good drafting, good cap management, and good coaching. With Vermeil/Saunders/Solari, we had good coaching on the offensive side. Now, we do nothing better than average. The only hope we really have is that Carl hits some home-runs on draft day. Before you laugh, a lot of it is luck....so our only hope is that Carl gets lucky. With this coaching staff, we're certainly not going to be out-coaching the opposition.
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12-20-2006, 12:09 PM	#54
HermIsKing Starter Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 1 Arrowhead Drive Casino cash: $10004900	yeah bill, Herm is'nt predictable he is just too smart not to gamble away games with silly plays like vermeal.
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