your predictions: What will the Chiefs get for Trent Green?

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Laz

wow .... look at me being the one to defend Green now after listening to people call him "Mr. Quarterback" for so many years.


Green is a slow starter ... he typically takes 2/3 games to really get started. He also takes a quarter to get started each game.

he got hurt after 1 game .... then game back and had to restart again.

With Herm's wonderful office he never was really able to get that 1st quarter rhythm going because of our run,run,pass,punt approach.


last year was not a fair evaluation of Green


i believe we will find now that most QB's look pretty crappy when playing for the Hermanator.

It is bizarro-world.

I think maybe you're so focused on Peterson/Herm that you're not seeing Green's play for what it was last year. He played well in exactly one game, his third after the injury (Cleveland). He was awful in the two before that, he was awful in the 5 after that.

That's a half a season of bad play. It wasn't a week or two. And I don't think it was a rhythm thing. He was making bad decisions and poor throws week after week. He looked like an even worse version of himself from 2001. I'm sure that Solari was a part of that, I'm sure that the line was a part of that, I'm sure that the receivers were a part of that. I'm also, however, sure that Green himself is a part of that, and I think maybe the biggest part.

He's 37. He's even less mobile now than before, and it's only going to get worse. He's had a serious head injury. He's not the same player he was, physically or mentally. You could see it in the way he looked on the field and in the pocket. Personally, I think he's done. He looks to me a lot like Kurt Warner did when he fell off the map.

It's a shame. I think he's a great guy.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

It is bizarro-world.

I think maybe you're so focused on Peterson/Herm that you're not seeing Green's play for what it was last year. He played well in exactly one game, his third after the injury (Cleveland). He was awful in the two before that, he was awful in the 5 after that.

That's a half a season of bad play. It wasn't a week or two. And I don't think it was a rhythm thing. He was making bad decisions and poor throws week after week. He looked like an even worse version of himself from 2001. I'm sure that Solari was a part of that, I'm sure that the line was a part of that, I'm sure that the receivers were a part of that. I'm also, however, sure that Green himself is a part of that, and I think maybe the biggest part.

He's 37. He's even less mobile now than before, and it's only going to get worse. He's had a serious head injury. He's not the same player he was, physically or mentally. You could see it in the way he looked on the field and in the pocket. Personally, I think he's done. He looks to me a lot like Kurt Warner did when he fell off the map.

It's a shame. I think he's a great guy.

maybe ..... but we nor anyone else has seen enough to make that conclusion.

to me Trent looked uncomfortable

when a QB looks like he doesn't really understand the point of the offense, they generally look like crap. Add pressure to the equation and they look like nervous crap.

Green looked like nervous crap last year


i think it's 70/30 that if Green comes back healthy and in a decent system he can throw 3,000+ yards again.

interestingly enough, i give that same 70/30 shot to Huard in the opposite direction.

A 70/30 that Huard turns back into a frog next year.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Laz

maybe ..... but we nor anyone else has seen enough to make that conclusion.

to me Trent looked uncomfortable

when a QB looks like he doesn't really understand the point of the offense, they generally look like crap. Add pressure to the equation and they look like nervous crap.

Green looked like nervous crap last year


i think it's 70/30 that if Green comes back healthy and in a decent system he can throw 3,000+ yards again.

Let's say he looked uncomfortable, as you put it. Is he going to be any better going to a new team with a new system behind a line he doesn't know, throwing to receivers he doesn't know? This isn't a young guy we're talking about. He's not going to have Tony Gonzalez. He's not going to have Larry Johnson. He may find a line even worse than what we fielded last season.

Combine those factors with his age, and I think it's a recipe for a bad end to a good career.

That's assuming he isn't just a backup.

I also don't think Green, at his age, would have gardered a 2nd rounder in a trade last year, prior to the concussion. But that's just my opinion. I don't think any team is going to dish out that much for a 36-year old signal caller. Now we're a year later, after a serious injury and a poor season.

As for Huard, I don't expect anything from him. He's had his 15 minutes in the sun. It was fun while it lasted, now it's back to mentoring the clipboard.

[siberian khatru]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

It is bizarro-world.

I think maybe you're so focused on Peterson/Herm that you're not seeing Green's play for what it was last year. He played well in exactly one game, his third after the injury (Cleveland). He was awful in the two before that, he was awful in the 5 after that.

That's a half a season of bad play. It wasn't a week or two. And I don't think it was a rhythm thing. He was making bad decisions and poor throws week after week. He looked like an even worse version of himself from 2001. I'm sure that Solari was a part of that, I'm sure that the line was a part of that, I'm sure that the receivers were a part of that. I'm also, however, sure that Green himself is a part of that, and I think maybe the biggest part.

He's 37. He's even less mobile now than before, and it's only going to get worse. He's had a serious head injury. He's not the same player he was, physically or mentally. You could see it in the way he looked on the field and in the pocket. Personally, I think he's done. He looks to me a lot like Kurt Warner did when he fell off the map.

It's a shame. I think he's a great guy.

Well said. I'm 100% in agreement.

I've said previously that that concussion appeared to have aged Green 2-3 years.

[Archie Bunker]

If the Chiefs get anything I'd be surprised. It just don't see much of a market for a 37 yr old QB coming off a major head injury and looked mediocre at best when he returned. You can blame Herm or the offensive line but IMO he is finished. That hit took something out of him that he might not get back.

I'd say he will end up getting cut.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

It is bizarro-world.

I think maybe you're so focused on Peterson/Herm that you're not seeing Green's play for what it was last year. He played well in exactly one game, his third after the injury (Cleveland). He was awful in the two before that, he was awful in the 5 after that.

That's a half a season of bad play. It wasn't a week or two. And I don't think it was a rhythm thing. He was making bad decisions and poor throws week after week. He looked like an even worse version of himself from 2001. I'm sure that Solari was a part of that, I'm sure that the line was a part of that, I'm sure that the receivers were a part of that. I'm also, however, sure that Green himself is a part of that, and I think maybe the biggest part.

He's 37. He's even less mobile now than before, and it's only going to get worse. He's had a serious head injury. He's not the same player he was, physically or mentally. You could see it in the way he looked on the field and in the pocket. Personally, I think he's done. He looks to me a lot like Kurt Warner did when he fell off the map.

It's a shame. I think he's a great guy.

Green didn't play well other than the Cleveland game. Against good defenses, our offense looked completely inept, no matter who was the quarterback. Our offense looked good against Cleveland and the NFC West. Wonder why?

If I thought we had the player talent and coaching talent to make a serious run, I'd definitely want Trent back. Given our Herminated offense, losing Green is anti-climatic.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Trent play very well for his next team, though.

To me, starting Damon Huard is tantamount to throwing in the towel as far as winning championships is concerned. He may be able to "manage a game", but what happens when you fall behind? I guess for that matter, Herm's brand of offense itself has already thrown in the towel and is simply playing for 9-7 seasons.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

Green didn't play well other than the Cleveland game. Against good defenses, our offense looked completely inept, no matter who was the quarterback. Our offense looked good against Cleveland and the NFC West. Wonder why?

To quote myself:

I'm sure that Solari was a part of that, I'm sure that the line was a part of that, I'm sure that the receivers were a part of that. I'm also, however, sure that Green himself is a part of that, and I think maybe the biggest part.